a reply to: AllIsOne
Hey thanks for welcoming me AllsOne.
I'll try my best to address all of these verses here. And please do not think I am trying to convince you that Islam is some solely peaceful religion.
I am just trying to show you that these passages, when read by me, do not immediately convince and program me to kill people.
Your first verse 4.89
"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of
Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."
Okay that looks bad. Now lets take a look at the verse just before it and just after it.
"What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for
what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of
"Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the
prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought
you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against
When it says do not take them as allies it is speaking about the "hypocrites." These are the ones who said they believed in Allah but actually do not.
It says not to keep company with hypocrites and not to make friends with them. Frankly I think thats good advice. Then in the next quote it says that
any hypocrite who tries to forcefully take you from your faith should be fought against. I don't have any problem with that because in the very next
quote 4.90 it says "except for those who take refuge with people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you" and basically do
not want to fight but live in peace. Come one AllsOne, I think anyone who reads all THREE of those verses together instead of taking 4.89 out of
context will see what it means. And isn't it great that 4.90 at least gives you an out. I mean at the very least?
It is the exact same thing with your next example 9.11-12
I will post the verses right before and after:
"They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors."
"But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know."
"And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths
[sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease."
"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do
you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers."
They do not observe any kind of kinship or covenant of protection with you(the believer). This pretty much means that it is referring to someone who
refuses to live peacefully with you.
And 9.13 is self-explanatory "And they had begun the attack upon you the first time?"
I will finish responding in another post as I do not know how many characters a post fits.