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America was set up to be a place where the law was king as that was considered to be fair. That premise has officially gone out the window.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: DrakeINFERNO
I think you have this round your neck.
Torturing does not work because it illicits HUGE quantities of invented data. What happens is, that a whole group of people get snatched up, and then they are all tortured. All of them say SOMETHING, all of them COME UP WITH SOMETHING! Of course they do!
But only one of those say, fifty individuals ever had anything to say that qualifies as legitimate intel. Furthermore, the people who have the most information have been trained to withstand, to the point of death, all manner of physical and mental abuse already, so it IS actually the case that those who talk are rarely those who are in the know.
So what is the end result of all this?
Troves of entirely useless data, with the odd bit of extremely low level, disjointed truth thrown in. The ratio of useless to useful information gleaned from torture, is somewhere right around the one terabyte of complete lies and drivel, told to stop the pain from happening, to one byte of partially useful data mark.
To say that the single byte of data out of all of those bytes of BS is worth it, suggests to me that you do not understand how intelligence operations work. You see, when an operative is activated, and instructed to investigate something based on information gained from torture, they are putting themselves in a very seriously dangerous situation. They are essentially acting on intelligence which has a 0.0001% chance of being accurate. That leaves them exposed to risk. Intelligence operatives and special forces members, being deployed based on intelligence, need to know that the intelligence data they are working from is accurate, because that means that their objectives are clear, attainable, that their planning for events can be done with some reasonable degree of foreknowledge.
This is what we would call actionable intelligence. This is not the sort of intelligence that is gained from torture. This sort of intelligence is more often gained from previous intelligence lead operations on the ground, or from local sources who oppose whatever group is being hunted by those intelligence assets, rather than from detainees who have been down a hole in the ground in some black site prison somewhere.
In summary, intelligence gained from torture is far and away more likely to get people killed when they act on it, because of the tendency when threatened with violence, to say something, when they had nothing to say of any importance. Good intelligence being gained from this method is so rare as to be statistically irrelevant. It does not work, it never has, it is flawed and wrong, not to mention wasteful of resources. It must end.
originally posted by: Profusion
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originally posted by: Autorico
Considering torture has been proven not to work, and also the fact that I personally think it's barbaric, it boggles my mind and depresses me that people can still be in favor of it.
something like a coporatocracy, both of which would be much worse than what you have now.
It has always been both a republic and a democracy at once, never one or the other entirely. You cannot actually have one without the other