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Why I Still Love America. It's Not the Donuts.

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posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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After reading the "Crappy Europe" thread, I thought this sort of response deserved a world of its own.

Because...I am tired of hearing how "unsophisticated" Americans are and that the only food we like is "donuts."

Americans were not practicing sauce preparation when France was becoming one of the great food cuisines of the world. We were kind of busy creating one of the most interesting experiments the world has ever known: a government based on the Constitution, devised by some very enlightened men who decided that government should be for the people, by the people and of the people.

These men wanted a government devoid of a ruling class. They risked life and limb to create a nation that exemplified liberty while France was making croissants.

The world had consistently exhibited a history of ruling in the absence of liberty. In fact, the billions of people who lived on this earth before America had very little control of even the most rudimentary aspects of their lives. Far more important than cream pie and fine wine, we were getting rid of our overlords. The hundred billion people who graced this earth throughout history had mostly lived their lives in fear... and our new nation sought to put an end to that.

I have been fortunate to travel the world, to both rich countries and poor, to happy countries and angry countries and everything in between. I have eaten cheese and baguettes in France, pasta in Italy, ceviche in Peru, kebabs in Turkey and Baklava in Greece. I appreciate each culture for what it offers---the history, archaeology, their cuisines and their own unique contributions to the world.

Our still-young nation is not quite as old as most of the others on earth, but in that very short time we have become trendsetters and pioneers in art, music, architecture, science and even culinary pursuits with American chefs and restaurants consistently earning top spots in restaurant rankings.

I will not bore you with a list of things we have invented that have changed the very fabric of this world---in the most stupendous and unfathomable ways.

I'm very disheartened to report that the very sort of government our forefathers fought so hard to exclude from our new country have found a way to rule again---but the ruling class has been a tactful and cunning bunch throughout history.

I hope my fellow Americans will one day find a way to rise up and send them on their way. But our current strife does not take away from the lofty intention this country was founded upon: democracy.

And remember this: Even today, only a third of the world's population live in democratic countries, and, for most of these, the freedoms they experience are only a heavily watered-down version of what many take for granted in America.

When the Continental Congress met in Philadelphia to debate independence from "sophisticated" Britain, they were well aware of the odds they faced. Britain had the most imposing military in the world, while we had a rag-tag army. But our forefather's strong objection to the ruling class led them through the daunting nature of the task ahead.

It's quite a legacy.

And we may still be young and restless...and eat our donuts and watch bad TV...but our commemoration of July 4, 1776 is wholly justified. It's the day we decided that the purpose of government was to serve the people. Not the other way around.

Our philosophy of liberty is far more sophisticated than anything the world has ever seen. Even more sophisticated than crème brulee and fine wine.

Thank you.




posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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originally posted by: MRuss
After reading the "Crappy Europe" thread, I thought this sort of response deserved a world of its own.

Because...I am tired of hearing how "unsophisticated" Americans are and that the only food we like is "donuts."

Americans were not practicing sauce preparation when France was becoming one of the great food cuisines of the world. We were kind of busy creating one of the most interesting experiments the world has ever known: a government based on the Constitution, devised by some very enlightened men who decided that government should be for the people, by the people and of the people.

These men wanted a government devoid of a ruling class. They risked life and limb to create a nation that exemplified liberty while France was making croissants.

The world had consistently exhibited a history of ruling in the absence of liberty. In fact, the billions of people who lived on this earth before America had very little control of even the most rudimentary aspects of their lives. Far more important than cream pie and fine wine, we were getting rid of our overlords. The hundred billion people who graced this earth throughout history had mostly lived their lives in fear... and our new nation sought to put an end to that.

I have been fortunate to travel the world, to both rich countries and poor, to happy countries and angry countries and everything in between. I have eaten cheese and baguettes in France, pasta in Italy, ceviche in Peru, kebabs in Turkey and Baklava in Greece. I appreciate each culture for what it offers---the history, archaeology, their cuisines and their own unique contributions to the world.

Our still-young nation is not quite as old as most of the others on earth, but in that very short time we have become trendsetters and pioneers in art, music, architecture, science and even culinary pursuits with American chefs and restaurants consistently earning top spots in restaurant rankings.

I will not bore you with a list of things we have invented that have changed the very fabric of this world---in the most stupendous and unfathomable ways.

I'm very disheartened to report that the very sort of government our forefathers fought so hard to exclude from our new country have found a way to rule again---but the ruling class has been a tactful and cunning bunch throughout history.

I hope my fellow Americans will one day find a way to rise up and send them on their way. But our current strife does not take away from the lofty intention this country was founded upon: democracy.

And remember this: Even today, only a third of the world's population live in democratic countries, and, for most of these, the freedoms they experience are only a heavily watered-down version of what many take for granted in America.

When the Continental Congress met in Philadelphia to debate independence from "sophisticated" Britain, they were well aware of the odds they faced. Britain had the most imposing military in the world, while we had a rag-tag army. But our forefather's strong objection to the ruling class led them through the daunting nature of the task ahead.

It's quite a legacy.

And we may still be young and restless...and eat our donuts and watch bad TV...but our commemoration of July 4, 1776 is wholly justified. It's the day we decided that the purpose of government was to serve the people. Not the other way around.

Our philosophy of liberty is far more sophisticated than anything the world has ever seen. Even more sophisticated than crème brulee and fine wine.

Thank you.





Quoted for truth!!!

Murica!!!

Because i'm a gdarned patriot and i'm gdarned proud of it!!



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: MRuss




And remember this: Even today, only a third of the world's population live in democratic countries, and, for most of these, the freedoms they experience are only a heavily watered-down version of what many take for granted in America.


Travelling slowly and widely will dispell this notion.

Americans do believe freedom is granted, that's the heart of the problem: freedom is exerted.

And only by defending the freedoms of others from oppression foreign and domestic (start with domestic) do we make our own freedom not only congruent but more importantly possible.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: MRuss



They risked life and limb to create a nation that exemplified liberty while France was making croissants.


Vive la liberte !



Oh wait...



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: wisvol

If you read my whole thread, you will see at the end that I wrote the ruling class has taken over. But don't expect me to apologize for them.

I am not talking about America today so much as I am talking about America's intention when it was founded.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: wisvol

I travel for a living, by the way---slowly and widely.

The truth of those numbers are not anecdotal. They are statistics.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: MRuss I agree whole Wholeheartedly
I also have circled the globe and came to ther same conclusion


edit on 30-3-2016 by visitedbythem because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:29 PM
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originally posted by: MRuss
a reply to: wisvol

If you read my whole thread, you will see at the end that I wrote the ruling class has taken over. But don't expect me to apologize for them.

I am not talking about America today so much as I am talking about America's intention when it was founded.



Not expecting you to apologize for anything, funny you should think that.

Seeing the US govt abide by the constitution today is a dream you and I share.




I travel for a living, by the way---slowly and widely. The truth of those numbers are not anecdotal. They are statistics.


Statistics funded by.. let me guess. I see.

I have lived in many countries for years at a time and have only been oppressed by the government while in the USA as a law abiding citizen. My behaviour is fairly constant.
Personal experience isn't by any stretch indicative of national trends, but I'm far from an exception unfortunately.

Therefore I maintain that the freedoms enjoyed by Americans today are nothing like advertised, and much more likely to be infringed than the same freedoms elsewhere, with exceptions of crazier countries of course, but far from exemplary.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: wisvol

I agree with you. But that is America today---and certainly wasn't the intention of our forefathers.

Unfortunately, the ruling class the founders of this country so eschewed and sought to protect us from...have found a way to rule again.

A crafty and cunning bunch.

I implore my fellow Americans to peacefully demonstrate against them.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:40 PM
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America...I really wish that my grandchildren could be raised in the same
America that I grew up in.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: mamabeth

It is truly the great sadness of my life that this is not so. I love this country---love its story, its intention.

It's almost unbearable to talk about, isn't it? I've had to learn to steel myself against it.

We must be the change we want to see. Fight for us.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: mamabeth
America...I really wish that my grandchildren could be raised in the same
America that I grew up in.


Ah yes. One with hatred of Blacks. Misogyny. Killing of Gay people. What a great era to espouse your grandchildren. If you go back 50 years more you can have ALL those groups killed at will. Wouldn't that be cool to teach your grandchildren?



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: intrepid


edit on 30-3-2016 by mamabeth because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: intrepid



In other words you have no rebuttal. Got it.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:09 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

With this sick type of post I have decided to leave.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

So, what exactly are you saying?

Is there a perfect era in the long history of any country? Did the American Indians not slaughter one another before we got here? Did they not behead one another in France? Throw folks to the lions in Rome? Sacrifice people in Mayan pyramids?

No one is saying America is perfect. But the intentions of this amazing experiment were real.

You can be bitter all you want....or you can add to the conversation by outlining how we can be better...and being the change you want to see.

PS. My ancestors were Vikings. Now there's a peaceful bunch, huh?



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:14 PM
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a reply to: MRuss

I like the fact that America is different. I like being different. I don't want 'European Socialism' over here. This country is about doing things differently, personal responsibility and individual liberty. Let's keep us different.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: intrepid

With this sick type of post I have decided to leave.


Hey. I wasn't the one lamenting about the days of misogyny, gay hate and Blacks.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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originally posted by: MRuss
....or you can add to the conversation by outlining how we can be better...



No you can't. Americans as a rule don't listen, they know better than everyone, so why wast your breath?



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: MRuss

One of my closest friends is a yank from New Orleans. We sparked up a fantastic friendship about 8 years ago through work. He and his family and friends are the most generous, friendly and charitable folks, as a demographic, that I know.

Each time I visit (annually for a few months) I am meeting more and more of the same down-to-earth headstrong friendly beer, meat, fishing, gun loving yanks.

It's your government that sucks.



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