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Dear Crappy Europe: I’m Glad You Hate America…

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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 01:45 AM

originally posted by: CranialSponge

But what I find even more interesting is how many ATS members still haven't caught on to the OP's neverending schoolyard antics.

Ah well... C'est la vie.

What I don't get is the idea that the intent of the author of the OP should determine how one responds in a discussion.
I mean, no matter what the intent of the OP (good to point out to newcomers who might get a bit carried away in their judgement of the OP and ignore the other participants)
the fact is that even trolling puts the focus upon opinions and sentiments that currently exist amongst us. The people who are participating in this thread are not faking their POV, as the OP might be- it just pulled them out to expose themselves.

These are issues that, as much as they might be irrelevant to some peoples lives, they could be very relevant to some of us. As a mother of bicultural children and grandchildren, the current movements in attitude touch my immediate family!

My kids go back and visit their american family, and they have to face people voicing these types of ignorant and hateful ideas at them. They have each had to deal with that and it was a shock to them- they called me up immediately and were frantic. They were not exposed to the hatred of the Americans until those moments and didn't know about it.

Two out of three of my kids grew up saying they planned to live in the US as adults, but each of those changed their mind after spending time over there. My daughter lasted a whole year over there- she really hung in there adamantly, but eventually could not keep up her illusions about the great country and peoples, faced with the reality.

So the false ideas about Europe, the hatred and jealousy, those are relevant to me and no matter what provokes them to be expressed and discussed offers opportunity for some enlightenment, or at least thought provocation, if nothing else.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 01:56 AM

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yeah right good one....i think you will find most non American westerners just shake their heads at the crazy that is America, i do not think there is any hate or malice if anything there is a lot to like.....It is just a fair chunk of us think you Americans are all nuts and not all in a bad guys take things to the extreme and sometimes it is hard to not sit back and shake my head in bewilderment....

To address your point of jealousy i would call that delusional on your behalf, not everyone wants to live like Americans regardless of what you think you know...

My perception, having lived outside of the US for 26 years, is that we Americans are very susceptible- though we may sound quite arrogant at first, or just proclaiming confidence in a positive, assertive way, in general we have very fragile egos!

Because we grow up with the principle "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" we don't get used to the kind of teasing and mocking some cultures do amongst each other regularly and without malice.
I've noticed here friends and loved ones mock each other a lot, and in the long run it serves to make each other less vulnerable to outsiders opinions.
We americans get "soft" through lack of that sort of exercise and feel rather hurt and sensitive about what others think of us, exaggerating it.

The person you were responding to, I don't want to interpret a situation I was not present at, but I have had the same experience, in which my coworkers and friends started mocking and teasing me as soon as they really like me and felt we were close enough for mutual trust and that verbal jousting of humor.

But at first, I took it all the wrong way, and felt I was being singled out with hostility (completely ignoring that EVERYONE was getting the same amount of mocking....of couse, I'm american and tend to consider myself the center of the world at all times...

(eta- I just came back and saw the quote is messed up and attributed to the wrong person- I apologize for that!)
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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 01:56 AM

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: Metallicus

We have plenty of good reasons to believe we’re better than Europe. Mainly because we are.

Health system
Income parity
Press freedom
Religious freedom
Crime rates
Teen pregnancy rates
Drug abuse rates
Violent crime rates
Gun crime

Various nations within Europe beat American hands down in pretty much every facet which matters to quality of life. This is not propaganda, this is not exaggeration, this is not boasting, it's the truth as recognized through the empirical data of even American agencies.

Now do you perhaps understand why so much of the world calls you arrogant? You cheer for each other, praise your nation as being "the best", you wave that flag around and preach about how "awesome" America is, when in actual fact that belief is not actually based on much but arrogance.

In what way is the US the "best"?
In prison population?
Military spending?
Income inequality?
Banking failures?
Money in politics?
Corporate power?

I'm not saying this because I "hate" America, far from it. I just loathe ignorant nationalism.

/Thread. Thank you.

Im European and America is a beautiful country with often really nice people.

But the government and indoctrination of its people is so high. The fact you are brought up singing your national anthem in school with american flags all around you is naucseating. And then telling us how our governments have too much control because we have better socialistic programs that work.. hah the irony. Hell your government is even in control of ours which proofs socialism isnt the demeanor of how much freedom a country has or how in control a government is.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 02:12 AM
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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 02:14 AM

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: Metallicus

Just ....Damn.

Star and flag for your Moxi. As an American, living in a European country for 16 years, They do make fun of us a lot, and they have even grown comfortable enough to do it right in front of me. They hate us because we are non-conformists. Basically, because they gave up so much of their freedom, they may be jealous of what we still have. That's the feeling I get at work.

Then youre wrong. We dont hate you and we didnt give up any freedoms. We decided decades ago we want a country where the less fortunate have the same chances as everyone else.The rich give some money so the poor have more freedom and quality in life.

I think freedom is about being able to do the things you want as ofen as possible. Where we voted for government control of some policies that improve life you are pushed by your government to work more, effectivily having less time to do what you want. Thus forced giving up freedom.

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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 02:27 AM
a reply to: Metallicus

I stopped reading at 'European attitudes' - you know how many countries and cultures are in Europe?

Funny that, because I stopped reading your 'All Muslims...' thread.

There's a pattern of ignorance within your threads, something to do with that massive chip on your shoulder I think.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 02:55 AM
To quote a famous movie"Let's not Bicker and argue over WHO killed WHO...
These insane collective thought processes are counterproductive.
THE idea of a demographic is a sterile failure.
We arrogant American cowboys ARE what the world wants and needs.
BUT America needs a less corrupt legislative and executive structure.
We could do with dumping admiralty law as well.
If however the current level of aggressions persist,war will be inevitable,.
We are GOOD at war,then you will like us better.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 03:42 AM
a reply to: Bluesma

Thats all good, i often enjoy reading your perspective as i can relate to it....I am technically American living overseas, i was born in new jersey and left the states when i was 5

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 05:23 AM
a reply to: Metallicus
Hey nobody is whining about America unless it's the anti gun Lobby here in Europe . America thinks it has freedom so does Europe but we dont. By the way im a Vet and an active IPSC Shooter and we can own Ar's pistols and all the good stuff aswell. The press in Europe always gives America the bum deal because it's trying to get the Europeans on the big Peace Wagon with vegans and flowers and mass Immigration. dont stereotye us bro.


posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 05:42 AM
And this thread really helps tend to the hatred towards Americans...

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 05:46 AM
This derp fest still going?

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 06:29 AM
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Did or do you see any mass migrants running or taking over Italy yet?

Since your in Italy.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 06:31 AM
a reply to: wmd_2008

2) Your gun's DON'T protect YOU how many mass shootings do you want me to list ?

Whats the of debating about guns if and when the right wingers wont ever get the message maybe a more mass shootings has to occur before they get the message.

In Europe we do have gun rights but also laws. Could you imagine if Europe had no gun laws anywhere? it would be terrorist wet dream come true.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 06:48 AM

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Metallicus

I stopped reading at 'European attitudes' - you know how many countries and cultures are in Europe?

Funny that, because I stopped reading your 'All Muslims...' thread.

There's a pattern of ignorance within your threads, something to do with that massive chip on your shoulder I think.

It seems a common thing that Americans in particular see Europe as one country. And it's worrying.
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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 06:55 AM
a reply to: MrConspiracy

It seems a common thing that Americans in particular see Europe as one country. And it's worrying.

It seems a common thing that many Europeans see Europe as one country. And that is truly terrifying.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 07:04 AM
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Isnt that what the EU was about in the long run?

But seriously its similar to the views people hold of america; even though we are one country... the culture varies widely by location.. and you can travel in our country and get to places where you can barely understand what people are saying... yet they will be happy to invite you in and feed you if you need it. (cajun country)

Yet folks love to paint us all with one brush..

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 07:40 AM
That's some statement, well looking from my own perspective as citizen of Europe of what you're saying, I can say we took over and seems that we behave more or less the American dream.

Mostly privatization of companies that before would be governmental be covered for expenses.

Like Healthcare that's been runned by insurance companies.
And there more of these things like that we are loyal to the US if they ask us to join their efforts in world politics and securing democracy.

I still am a child from parents that have known the liberation of WW2 and sometimes drive.past war cemeteries to remembered what the US ,Great Britain and Canada did for our freedom.

But yes I sometimes also think that the US jumps to quickly on world situations , I would think why bother or send so many soldiers to fight and loose so many lives, from both sides.

I understand that we have to stay together and united .

We might find the US having an overall arrogance, but I don't bother that , it's something cultural I think and I do think some will be jealous about your strength to fight and to step in and help a nation in need for liberation.

We always had great empires through times , for now I'm not waiting for that change at all, and if I have to fight against an foreign oppressor other then my western allies I will still fight side by side to secure I still love,

And that's freedom, freedom of speech and friends from overseas that will help us in need.

Not to forget I hate Mc Donalds I never seem to leave it alone when I catches my eye..

Honestly I never hear the Dutch complaint about the US GB ,or any other European nation in open conversation.

I think we're happy that they are our friends..
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posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 08:39 AM
First of all, when others critize the US, then i guess often is meant that behaviour of your government and spy agencies, your endless wars, "thinkers" like Trump and many of his supporters, the ruling of the rich and some companies(look at Trump what you can do with money in the US, even if you are a little lunatic), that US worlddominance-megalomania.

If I critize the US, i don´t mean all of the people, all the normal and selfthinking US citizens, they are more fooled than we are in europe. Because everything that is bad needs 10-20 years to arrive here in europe, from the USA. Like the need for several jobs and having no money to live, as a simple example, you had that first, than it came the last one or two decades to europe, too.

But i guess one of the problems the USA in the world has, is:

"We have plenty of good reasons to believe we’re better than Europe"

Why do you think that you ever have to be the best???

It´s that megalomania the whole world doesn´t like, except the five(now four?) eyes states, maybe.
Do you like people on a party for example, that don´t have anything to talk about than how great they are, how they can do everything, are better than everbody else on the world, that are acting as if they were the fairest players on the field, but play more foul in reality than every other player? And if you critize them even in a constructive way, they start to fight you, because they have no arguments left anymore. Or if they want to have something, they just kick others asses and take what they want, because they are that great?

I don´t think these are the guests that somebody wants to see on his party.

But that doesn´t mean that every US citizen acts the same, it´s just what the world sees first. The world doesn´t see the typical, nice american, but they see the americans they don´t like that much, for some good reasons. They spies, the warmongerers, the democracybombers, corporations like monsanto and all that, your militarized police killing citizens everyday, that is what the world is aware about the USA.

Maybe that makes some people think bad about the USA.

I know not less us citizens, and they are all nice, have to fight the same problems as we do, they live to work, and don´t work to live anymore. But in the News you see the USA the people don´t like.


"We have plenty of good reasons to believe we’re better than Europe"
Thats ignorance and megalomania, isn´t it?

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 09:09 AM

originally posted by: TaleDawn
a reply to: PublicOpinion

the working poor is on the rise here in Europe as well

Well now whose responsible for that to?

Oh yeah i forget its because you were asking Europeans help to bomb Libya and you want us in afghanistan how about this?

Stop policing the world.

So the neolib douchebags in the US are responsible for the neolib douchebags in Europe? I guess not.

Afghanistan? Nope. Look into Agenda 2010 and the rise of neolib politics under Schröder. We're talking about decades of ... ehm... change... here.

We in Europe better stop blaiming the US (if that's the case) and start to get our own act together. Pointing fingers is rather part of the problem than part of a solution.

posted on Mar, 31 2016 @ 11:20 AM
a reply to: Metallicus

Dear oh Dear...

When I read sentiments like this I agree with Jeremy Clarkson when he said "America: Land of the free, home of the dim."

Many in the U.S has been chastising other nations via media and public opinion for years but as soon as the shoe is on the other foot all of a sudden it's 'leave America alone!'

Give it when you can take it or don't give it at all.

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