The real reason people hate Trump-

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I was honest then as I am now.

Would you like lip service?


I am not too big to admit I was wrong. Truth keeps me both humble and emboldens me.

I was honest then for my reasons, I did think he was wrong. THEN I READ AND LOOKED INTO what he was saying, sat down and analyzed what he was trying to do.

I dont care if everyone hates me. I am honored.

I say what I think is true always and can only be guilty of being human.

So whatever.

I am only here for myself. You guys can do whatever makes you happy.

I am on NO ONES TEAM. I am my own team. I have my people and nothing else beyond my family and my ethos.

That is why I can say whatever I want. I owe nothing to anyone.

I like me. It was hard to become me. I make no reservations and dont apologize for anything that made me who I am.

Only truth is my master. Few can say that and I know it.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I was honest then as I am now.

Would you like lip service?


I am not too big to admit I was wrong. Truth keeps me both humble and emboldens me.

I was honest then for my reasons, I did think he was wrong. THEN I READ AND LOOKED INTO what he was saying, sat down and analyzed what he was trying to do.

I dont care if everyone hates me. I am honored.

I say what I think is true always and can only be guilty of being human.

So whatever.

I am only here for myself. You guys can do whatever makes you happy.

I am on NO ONES TEAM. I am my own team. I have my people and nothing else beyond my family and my ethos.

That is why I can say whatever I want. I owe nothing to anyone.

I like me. It was hard to become me. I make no reservations and dont apologize for anything that made me who I am.

Only truth is my master. Few can say that and I know it.

Donald Trump,
"We are gonna make our military so powerful, you....."

Open carry, one weapon, multiple deaths before Trump,


Of course these people were not American, not US!...aliens, and Trump wants to make the military more powerful?
Currently, Trump is studying a petition for open carry by GOP activists..he has a concealed weapon,



Good luck, and look after your family.

What I am seeing is the Game of Politics which has been broken in the favor of the "Establishment and Status Quo" Is getting turned on its ear this cycle, and if the Establishment happens to win this cycle unless there is some massive shift in the Status Quo the next Candidate who is Trump Like or Ron Paul like will Land Slide the whole system at almost all levels of government. If Trump gets it this time and stands by his word both parties AS THEY ARE is finished and done for.

But after that little Tirade of mine Above I still find my self standing by my Pick for Prez, Ron White, the first President that will be Arrested for Drunk in Public...

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: RomeByFire

SOOOO give up? That is your sage words meant to change the world and suffering we live in?

I supported Ron Paul. That is why this time I wont stop. Last time the system proved how rigged it is. THIS TIME, we will not stop.

NOT until JUST HOW RIGGED IT IS, is exposed.

Take your pessimism to your gave- The rest of us wont give up so easily. We only learn how to better fight. We are stronger with each election, and eventually people like Trump, with the myriad of personalities both likable and not will flood the system.

This is not a popularity contest anymore. Its REAL, and honest democracy, whether anyone likes it or not.

But hey, enjoy the....what ever it is you think is better.

I never once said to "give up," but I appreciate pigeon-holing tactics and having words put in my mouth.

Anyways... I'd ABSOLUTELY love nothing more to be COMPLETELY off-base in regards to how I view Trump and his supposed "anti-establishment," rep that he's gained - but, I'm just not buying it.

Never once did I say for you to give up, although I'm personally of the notion that "voting," doesn't accomplish too much in an (s)election cycle.

The reason I mention Ron Paul is because of the complete media blackout - and I'm still salty regarding that. And now Trump is being covered - albeit negatively - regularly and consistently. I have to question this, as if Trump truly were "anti-establishment," would it not stand to reason that the establishment would simply take the same steps as they do in cases of people such as Ron Paul, or perhaps John Mcafee or Gary Johnson?

Rather than the words you put in my mouth for me, and than say is my "sage advice," let me propose for you what I would consider to be my own "sage advice."

We all bleed red - and we all have more in common than we are led to believe. Set differences aside - and let's collectively embrace as a unified nation.

Never have I said anything regarding you - or anyone else - to give up.

a reply to: RomeByFire

ANYONE the target of an all out media blitz is your guy if you oppose globalism in any permutation.

Its about tactics. He was made to be un-electable. Trump IS ELECTABLE so they have to gear the same machine into a different gear.

Trump earned his reputation by openly going after the free enterprise model of public subsidy for private profit model we employ internally and the free trade model employed abroad. All of which screw the average people out of self empowerment and out of untold wealth-

I will say this. I respect your integrity. If It wasnt for Trump I would be right there with you. BUT I cant support Bernie if he is going to turn around and endorse Hillary, someone DIAMETRICALLY opposed to everything he is supposedly fighting for.

If he was true about wanting to audit the federal reserve and REALLY break wage slavery he would have his run and support someone trying to accomplish those ends. If no one, then no one. If he turns around and gives Hillary a green light, you know who he is truly loyal to.

Trump is the only person besides him trying to protect American workers and end the stranglehold on our wealth kept diminished with endless debt funneling our well being into nameless, faceless, nation less corporations.

If what you say is true, then good luck. Lets hope we do end this farce or at least take a step closer to that inevitable end.

Have a good one
Hold it down.

Ron Paul 2008

a reply to: tadaman

I think [some] people dislike Trump for three primary reasons:

1) He has no filter. I watched the various debates, and what screamed out at me is that most politicians, when asked questions, pause and either try to fit their canned answers into the questions, or try to say what they think the people will respond favorably toward. Trump appears to not care. He's asked a question, and he responds without hesitation, often with little bits of strangeness that make us momentarily cringe, but what seems apparent is it is what he THINKS.

2) I think the DNC and GOP dislike him because he can't be controlled. He's not bought and paid for by the lobbies, and therefore can't be coerced into following their agenda. He's a wildcard. Maybe a moonbat. I find it refreshing, the idea of a President that doesn't change their tune immediately upon taking office and discovering that the obligations have come due and time to pay up.

3) He doesn't appear to pander to anyone. That alone is enough to scare the stuffing out of most career politicians.


I don't have a dog in this race. I think this is a very interesting time to be alive.

a reply to: pirhanna




"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people." -Trump

As you can read, he said some are good.

A review of 177,588 defendants shows that they are responsible for at least 611,234 individual criminal charges over their criminal careers, including 2,993 homicides and 7,695 sexual assaults..... This is just one state, Texas....in only five years. 2008-2014

Most of these already ILLEGAL individuals are repeat offenders and had already been previously arrested and released.

MANY murders, rapes and other violent crimes and major or even minor offenses could have been prevented if the criminal Obama administration simply did their job by NOT releasing them back into OUR society.


On top of this the ILLEGAL people that are here ILLEGALLY are taking MILLIONS of jobs, and yes I'm talking about jobs that Americans DO want such as carpentry, painting, plumbing, electrical, roofing etc. etc. etc.

And in doing this they DRASTICALLY bring down the pay scales of those sectors.

Anyone that knows any of those trades well should be making atleast 50k a year or more now days, yet many make half or less of that, it's disgusting.

It's disgusting that this administration panders to the rich companies that profet from this cheap labor. And it's not just the illegal immigrants or legal immigrants that is performing this cheap labor. The Americans do it too, thats what the jobs pay now because of the pay rates being brought down by the influx of illegals AND the outsourcing of jobs.

WE NEED TO BRING BACK JOBS FROM OVER SEAS

This is the other reason why the work environment sucks for AMERICAN workers. Im not going to go into detail with this right now. I think everyone from both sides of the fence agrees with this.

This is why I vote Trump. Because I want that border secure for the sake of the AMERICAN working people. And I want to bring jobs back to the States.

If you want to come here and make a better life fine, but do it legally.

a reply to: argentus

Well, there are some easy comments to the 3 reasons that you bring up...

1. True, he has no filter. And true, he just states what comes to his mind in that instant. And most all of the time it's divisive, ridiculous and/or flat out lies. According to politifact (and they aren't the only ones researching his claims) only 3% of what comes out of his mouth is true. I would say that even 60% truthfulness would be a bad rating... a "D" as it were. But 3%!? Come on you guys, this dude is an angry farce.

Donald Trump's File

2. He does the 'buying' and 'paying' for political "friends" and "favors". He is the top of the establishment food chain. Which is even worse. Donald Trump has changed his tune countless times (and you all know it). What makes you think he's going to stay on this current path? Certainly not evidence. How easily a little bravado will blind Americans.

3. Well, he is certainly pandering to his lap-it-up supporters that have managed to buy into the rhetoric and coalesce around him. It's pretty easy to say garbage to get Americans all riled up (hint: bigotry is a good start), especially when you are a reality TV star. But in the end, Trump is pandering to Trump.

I have a dog in this race... the well-being of this country.

Are you pulling another fast one on us tadaman? A few weeks ago you admitted to faking your support for Trump and now you're all about some Trump again. Not trying to say you shouldn't support Trump but the flip flopping is a little suspect.

a reply to: okrian

this dude is an angry farce.

lap-it-up supporters

(and you all know it)

hint: bigotry is a good start)

Well, it's apparent to me that you are far more subjective on the subject than I am. My intent was to answer the OP. However, there's nothing wrong at all with passionate discourse, and for that I give you an e-fistbump.

Trump's ignorance of the fourth amendment frightens the mud out of me. The rest of his bluster probably isn't going to flesh out if he's elected.

I'll never vote for the pinko Sanders, so I guess I'll just have to "throw my vote away" yet again on the guy that I agree with most, Gary Johnson.

a reply to: argentus

Irony: the reasons some dislike him are exactly the reasons I, and others, support him. Further proof of how bifurcated and even incompatible the core VOTERS of the two parties have become.

a reply to: tadaman

If Trump didn't act like an egomaniac, and he was able to control his temperament and research the issues better, I think he would have had support from a much bigger portion of the population. His character alone concerns a good portion of the population. He shoots from the hip and gives ridiculous answers to extremely complex problems.

I think the majority of Americans like the idea of a non-establishment candidate, but unfortunately, in my opinion and many others, he's not the one that fits the bill.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

There's no doubt that a historically reinforced divide exists. I think what you say is true to an extent -- that the very reasons some (particularly media and pseudo-media) assail Trump are the very reasons that others thing his actions and words are laudable.

MY truth is, the ONLY time I ever voted for a U.S. President where I wasn't voting for a "lesser of evils" was when I cast my vote for Ross Perot. He was another that was outside of the established barter system. Like Trump, he didn't necessarily have a palatable presentation, but he said what he thought, and he wanted the U.S. to work.

In my life, I respect people who speak their mind. I don't feel the need to agree with them. I dislike people who pander to an audience and even more people who seem to value drama over truth. It's a simple matter for me to see why Trump is both feared and disliked by both "sides" of the political spectrum.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: argentus

Irony: the reasons some dislike him are exactly the reasons I, and others, support him. Further proof of how bifurcated and even incompatible the core VOTERS of the two parties have become.

But herein lies the problem. You are going off tadaman's (and other Trump supporters) view of why people don't like him. Not the real reasons.

Do you support him because he is a source of corruption and buys political "friends" and "favors"?

Do you support him because he has been incredibly inconsistent in so many of his positions?

Do you support him because of the division (among the citizens of the USA, which is really what matters) that is coming from his campaign as opposed to unity?

Do you really like that a another corporatist is supposed to be our salvation from the corrupt corporatists?

Do you support how he talks about women?

Do you support his plans to bring back barbaric torture (in that he even said waterboarding doesn't go far enough)?

Do you support more money spent on endless war?

Do you support far-more government overreach into the personal lives (and religions) of it's citizens?

These are just a few (and I really do mean just a few) reasons that people dislike him. It's certainly not because he is merely "stirring up the pot" or "telling the truth".

a reply to: WeRpeons

I would rather a rude NYer who you know what he is thinking than some shill liar trying to fool people with his manners.

If people want a real leader they need for him to be a REAL PERSON.

Plenty of good leaders were disliked, but did more good than those trying to keep sheep quiet and following the herd.

a reply to: tadaman

I completely agree with all of this and have said as much in other Trump threads.

However, the very fact that all this is true is the reason he CAN NEVER be president.

The system is easily crooked enough to keep him out and bring HRC in.

Even if they have to kill him to accomplish it they will do so.

I'm still voting for him though, knowing full well it means nothing.

Trump 2016.

a reply to: Urantia1111

We would be fools not to try. Slaves in spirit AND disposition if we never pulled at these chains. Eventually they will break,

Nothing is eternal, and honestly I feel free already, Its worth the effort.

a reply to: tadaman

I have come to the point where IF I vote I will probably vote for Trump. I don't like the man, but he is the only real choice we have. Hilary is business as usual and at least Trump has a chance to be different.

We have had 16+ years of Presidents I don't like. The fact that I don't like him won't keep me from voting for him in November.

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: argentus

Irony: the reasons some dislike him are exactly the reasons I, and others, support him. Further proof of how bifurcated and even incompatible the core VOTERS of the two parties have become.

But herein lies the problem. You are going off tadaman's (and other Trump supporters) view of why people don't like him. Not the real reasons.

Do you support him because he is a source of corruption and buys political "friends" and "favors"?

Do you support him because he has been incredibly inconsistent in so many of his positions?

Do you support him because of the division (among the citizens of the USA, which is really what matters) that is coming from his campaign as opposed to unity?

Do you really like that a another corporatist is supposed to be our salvation from the corrupt corporatists?

Do you support how he talks about women?

Do you support his plans to bring back barbaric torture (in that he even said waterboarding doesn't go far enough)?

Do you support more money spent on endless war?

Do you support far-more government overreach into the personal lives (and religions) of it's citizens?

These are just a few (and I really do mean just a few) reasons that people dislike him. It's certainly not because he is merely "stirring up the pot" or "telling the truth".

Hitlery is pretty much guilty of everything listed there as well. It could go either way with the torture part, personally I believe she's more apt to killing.

So what are the alternatives? Dump both and vote for a Socialist? Please. Empires fall, we will fall. We just have to pick the best pilot for the crash landing here. Sanders is a stranger with free candy... Pretty sure I've been warned about those since childhood. Hitlery is a shady, duplicitous witch offering nothing to improve the country, but witches are obsessed with power. Trump is a successful business man with bad hair, debatable character, and unfiltered speech. Hmmm.... Everything seems so complex and yet so simple.

I'll take a wild-card over a nobody, and a somebody who happened to be the one of the worst SOS's ever.
What difference does it make?