Jesse Ventura just solidified my position AGAINST Bernie Sanders

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Flatfish

Your the kind of person handed a gun and a bullet and told either shoot this puppy or kitten, will shoot the puppy because your a cat person, not considering you could not shoot either, because even though shooting either is evil, you'll be damned if you waste your bullet and shooting the puppy is the lesser evil cause you like cats more anyway.

What?

*You're* apparently the type who posts jargon which makes no sense.

a reply to: Sillyolme

I cant see the logic in supporting people based on party affiliation instead of the individual issues.

It shows you dont understand the nature of the two party system.

a reply to: tadaman

That's because there is no logic in it.

a reply to: theantediluvian

So you want people to lay down and take it?

What is your solution since you only detract from any solution offered and prop up the same corruption based along party lines. How enlightened of you.

As if you are not part of the problem in this reasoning. At least Trump would solve our immigration problems and GO AFTER free trade policies, something Hillary is trying to stop, since she is a globalist like you.

a reply to: interupt42

But his supporters will. He will follow his supporters.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: interupt42

But his supporters will. He will follow his supporters.

I don't disagree that many sadly will support Hillary despite her being everything that Bernie is suppose to stand against. They are the problem in this country and who allow the cycle of corruption to continue. I saw this when observing how many bernie sanders supporter were more actively going after trump than Hillary despite her being his biggest obstacle. Even created a thread for it.

However, I have seen some here that will not support her despite supporting Bernie and are aware that corruption has infiltrated both parties. As long as corruption has infiltrated both parties the only thing that matters is the individual and not the party.

a reply to: tadaman

So you want people to lay down and take it?

What is your solution since you only detract from any solution offered and prop up the same corruption based along party lines. How enlightened of you.

As if you are not part of the problem in this reasoning. At least Trump would solve our immigration problems and GO AFTER free trade policies, something Hillary is trying to stop, since she is a globalist like you.

What is my solution to what? The post you're replying to deals largely with SCOTUS appointments. It seems you just wanted a chance to say the world "globalist" and claim I had some allegiance to Hillary that I don't possess. I've said it more than once, including on ATS: while I'm not supporting anyone, I'd rather vote for Bernie but if he doesn't win the nomination, I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton if the GOP alternatives are Trump or Cruz.

I don't believe that not voting for Hillary in the general election is going to accomplish what Puppylove or Interrupt42 believe it will at all. Not even a little bit. If I thought it was a viable strategy, I'd strongly consider it. You keep trying to claim some kinship to Sanders supporters who believe as they do but then you don't seem to miss an opportunity to say "Trump would do" followed by some nonsense (e.g. "solve our immigration problems and GO AFTER free trade policies").

Speaking of nonsense:

In what way is Trump not a globalist? How many properties does he own in foreign countries? How many workers has he employed who were in this country on worker visas? How much of his merchandise is made overseas? Didn't he just say that he wanted to restrict imports to coerce a foreign nation into military intervention in a third?

Is there a candidate that is advocating for protectionism or isolationism? No? That's because they're all globalists. In fact, while terms like globalism and globalization became popular toward the end of the 20th century, what they describe has been going for thousands of years. If you'll forgive the pun, that ship sailed a long time ago.

What I would consider myself (thanks for asking) might be best described by the term "alter-globalist." I'm against the current framework of international agreements, financial institutions, etc that allow transnational corporations to exploit developing nations to enrich oligarchs to the detriment of... well... everyone else. I am not against free trade, trade agreements, etc in theory however.

I don't know what you mean by "GO AFTER free trade policies" but what has come out of Trump's own mouth on multiple occasions is that he'll negotiate trade agreements that are more favorable to US workers — which I'm not automatically opposed to — but when it comes to details, he hasn't said anything that would lead me to believe that he'll actually improve anything. On the other hand, he's said a number of things that just sound stupid and harmful.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Do you think owning property overseas makes you a globalist? WOW, talk about misinformed. LOL

Trying to funnel tax dollars into private hands is a globalist ideal. One you support. Another is trying to lose national identity and force open borders to drive down resistance to globalist ventures (as national identity often results in) and reduce wage compensation through mass wage deflation via unchecked immigration. Yet another measure you support.

Also, YES; not voting for Hillary is a step in the right direction since she is constantly trying to enforce and make more effective the free enterprise model of public subsidy for private profit. Also she is a warmonger, if she was president we would be mercenaries for hire like every other president either party has ever offered up.

Thanks for proving you dont actually have a solution to anything. Only piss for cheerios-

EDIT TO ADD:
SO you are a globalist by your own admission.

No words. None. You said it all.

What I would consider myself (thanks for asking) might be best described by the term "alter-globalist." I'm against the current framework of international agreements, financial institutions, etc that allow transnational corporations to exploit developing nations to enrich oligarchs to the detriment of... well... everyone else. I am not against free trade, trade agreements, etc in theory however.

Wow.

SO people you have a globalist in the midst. He is for GOOD GLOBALISM;.....are you laughing or cringing yet? I did both

www.globalistagenda.org...

The Globalist Agenda represents a plan to bring all of Earth's inhabitants under the control of a single, global state. There is a small, but powerful group of individuals who are the architects and instigators behind the formation and implementation of this "New World Order". Using their influence through international organizations such as the IMF, World Bank, the Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA), the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the United Nations, NATO, and hundreds of other non-governmental organizations, the objective of these internationalists is nothing less than the subjugation of everyone on the planet as servants to a one world government (servants means slaves). A government run by the same small group of elite that have ruled the masses for a very long time under various guises. These elite are the descendents of those that ruled for at least the past 2 centuries - kings and queens, bankers, robber barrons, priests, and assorted subservient oligarchs and media representatives. Their desire for a return to a one world feudal state should come as no surprise to anyone who has read a little history. It is their nature after all.

In the modern manifestation these people can be seen as kings and queens, international bankers, the military industrial complex and their servants - the corporate CEOs, scientists, professors, lawyers, heads of NGO's, politicians, and media leaders - all of whom the elite control partially or completely. Sad but true - you can buy or brainwash most national bankers, soldiers, beaurocrats, CEOs, scientists, lawyers, NGOs, politicians and journalists to say what you want them to say.

If you allow their plans to proceed, you will see how under the guise of keeping us all safe with anti-terrorist laws, the globalists will see all citizens gradually and incrementally lose their civil liberties preventing any dissent against either the government or the ruling elite who give the government their orders. The purpose of this website is to first provide a concise base of knowledge explaining the historical origins and mechanisms of the "one-world government" plan, and second, to provide avenues of resistance and methodologies for survival within the Chaos purposely imposed within this plot to enslave all of humanity.

There you have it. The only people arguing against Trump like rabid pack animals are GLOBALISTS. The enemies of all things we hold dear like civil liberties, personal prosperity and happiness.

Everyone that has been on his bandwagon, take a good hard look at who you are propping up. People who want to take what is yours and establish a world government.

Alter-globalist...pfft What a crock of isht.

The exploitation of the third world IS EXACTLY what globalism is doing. The argument is ALWAYS to help them but always it screws them and us.

You make me sick.

You would eternally prop up the establishment and offer up only different methods to the same ends.

GLOBALIZATION IS UNAVOIDABLE: GLOBALISM is any form is a threat to all free people not compromising of the power elite.

You just showed your hand. THIS is why you fail

Here is the "alter globalist" BS

The name may have been derived from a popular slogan of the movement: 'Another world is possible', which came out of the World Social Forum. Many alter-globalists seek to avoid the "disestablishment of local economies and disastrous humanitarian consequences". Most members of this movement shun the label "anti-globalization" as pejorative and incorrect since they actively support human activity on a global scale and do not oppose economic globalization per se.

Instead they see their movement as an alternative to what they term neo-liberal globalization in which international institutions (World Trade Organisation, World Bank, International Monetary Fund etc.) and major corporations devote themselves to enriching the developed world while giving little or no attention to the detrimental effects of their actions on the people and environments of less developed countries, countries whose governments are often too weak or too corrupt to resist or regulate them.

Do you think anyone is falling for your BS?

What a crock.

In your world we are all slaves or idiots to be ruled over. Forever slaving away in your ALTERNATE HELL of elites doing with our world and lives as they see fit.

Its at its end globalist. Believe that.

a reply to: Puppylove

Wow, that's one helluva analogy you got going on there, but I'm not sure what cats, dogs, guns & bullets have to do with any of this.

Simply put, there is only one candidate that I "support" with both, my vote and my money and that's Bernie Sanders.

If he doesn't win the nomination, I won't be casting my vote as a sign of "support," I'll be voting to minimize the screwing we're gonna get from what's left over.

If there was a viable third party candidate, I might consider them. But, seeing how there isn't, I will face that "reality" and vote to minimize the damage.

And I assure you, no animals will be harmed in the production of my decision.

a reply to: tadaman

Do you think owning property over seas makes you a globalist?

Owning property overseas BY DEFINITION makes you a globalist. Globalism/globalist have actual meanings. I think you're assuming that the term globalism refers to the neoliberal globalism that evolved from the 40's on (IMF, WTO, GATT, etc). I'm sorry that you have such poor grasp of things that you can't make distinctions between types of globalism but that's your shortcoming.

Trying to funnel tax dollars into private hands is a globalist ideal. One you support.

You're saying this based on what again?

Also, YES; not voting for Hillary is a step in the right direction since she is constantly trying to enforce and make more effective the free enterprise model of public subsidy for private profit.

Not voting for Hillary is only a step in the right direction if not voting for Hillary leads to the election of somebody who is better than Hillary. I'm not support Hillary, I said that I would vote her versus Trump or Cruz in the general election. You on the other hand are supporting Trump wholeheartedly. You went so far as to say that you "endorse" Trump for President.

Now you're saying that you're against "public subsidy for private profit." Obviously you don't know anything about Trump. Trump's father's fortune was built largely on building subsidized housing and bilking tax payers. That was Trump's mentor and the person who gave him his first fortune.

Trump's first big deal in NYC was the renovation of the Hyatt at Grand Central Station. He finagled a lovely forty-year full tax abatement.

LA Times -
Trump has thrived with government's generosity (2011):

Trump offered a similar argument when he sought to build apartments on an abandoned railroad yard along the Hudson River. To make the 5,000-plus-unit development attractive, Trump proposed a riverfront park and asked the federal government to pay $200 million to sink an elevated section of the West Side Highway underground for several blocks. The cost seemed staggering to Congressman Nadler, in part because just three years earlier the highway had undergone a $72-million renovation.

"It's a sin against taxpayers," Nadler said at the time.

But Trump pressed on, urging Congress to appropriate funds for a highway tunnel. When Nadler opposed the request, Trump secured an earmark for the project through another member of Congress, Sue Kelly, a Republican from north of the city who, like Nadler, had received campaign contributions from Trump.

Nadler took the unusual step of urging fellow legislators to turn down millions of dollars in federal funds for a project in his own district. Trump also sought access to a federal program that would have guaranteed a $356-million low-interest loan in exchange for designating a percentage of the units for lower-income families.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) fought Trump over hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding that the developer wanted for a luxury apartment complex in Nadler's district. "He sought to abuse the taxpayer and stretch the law," Nadler said.

"He said he ought to get a massive government subsidy. I said, 'Listen, Mr. Trump, if you think this is a good project, you spend the money.' "

In a phone interview last week, Trump was unapologetic about pressing for government tax breaks, noting that he had used them not only for his own profit but to spur development in foundering parts of the city. Referring to how he managed to win a 40-year tax abatement for rebuilding a crumbling hotel at Grand Central Station — a deal that in the first decade cost taxpayers $60 million — Trump said, "Someone said, 'How come you got 40 years.' I said, 'Because I didn't ask for 50.' "

Trump has fought for lower tax bills in Florida, where he won a reduction in the 1980s for Mar-A-Lago, his 118-room mansion, and in Atlantic City, N.J., where he filed 19 separate petitions seeking a lower tax bill for casinos and other properties. He eventually settled for a $34-million reduction, which local officials said cost millions in improperly reduced tax revenue. But a court ruled that the deal could not be withdrawn.

In Las Vegas, Trump's goal was to lower the taxable value of the recently constructed Trump International Hotel and Tower. His team, which included the former chairman of the county Board of Equalization — the agency that decides tax matters — won a reduction last year in the taxable value from $180 million to $8.6 million.

That's just a few examples of Donald Trump's "crony capitalism" from one source. Examples which include "funnel[ing] tax dollars into private hands [Donald Trump's]."


Nice meltdown earlier too BTW.

a reply to: theantediluvian

What ever.

I dont entertain people who advocate for the greater stranglehold over our lives, perpetuate wage slavery, and endorse the all out gorging of public wealth to give it to private hands

globalization is not the same as GLOBALISM


GLOBALISM IS AN IDEOLOGY:

Globalism can be defined as an activity to unify communication, transportation, commerce, finance and religion. A corporation must become global to ensure its future. No country is big enough to exist on its own merits any longer.

What a sell out crock of crap

You dont even know what you are talking about anymore globalist. TAKE YOUR ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND EAT IT along with MY ASS.

Your masters are calling. Go fetch them their slippers. SLAVE.

GLOBALIZATION:
Globalization is a process of interaction and integration among the people, companies, and governments of different nations, a process driven by international trade and investment and aided by information technology.

That is what Trump is guilty of, BEING RELEVANT. OR are you saying he can become a BILLIONAIRE and a world mover and shaker by using snail mail, avoiding international business opportunities and INTEGRATION of all in a fair world stage?

Trump has NO MEANINGFUL complaints from his employees and his investors. ALL THE CONTRARY. If he was such a bastard you would think he would be swimming in disgruntled employees. In fact they mostly love him by and large for being fair and honest with them.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AND THEIR PRIVATE VENTURES? It will quickly devolve into how many people they KILLED to silence them.

Elitist Globalist scum. No wonder why you like them. Screw the rest of us right?

Globalist, you should be ashamed.

a reply to: tadaman
I am suspect of Globalism; there is a sinister evil within its mantra "Everyone will now be equally cared for". NO; everyone becomes enslaved to a power no one knows exists except the Eye God: "CCTV". Could be I read "Animal Farm" and "1984" as a youngster and became overly sweaty afraid (RUN! for your life) suspicious. That other book "Gulliver's Travels" did not help either to suppress a mounting fear of monarchies, dictatorships.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Yeah tell me about it.

Alter globalists...pfft. whats next alter racist, alter rapist, alter murderer?

ONE WORLD GOVERNMENTS would NOT serve the third world, or nature, or anyone except the power elite. Different methods for the same death of liberty and sovereignty.

In fact if we had a one world government we would impoverish the world, rape its natural resources with no regulation and enslave everyone under a no thrills authoritarian state.

I am blown away. It would be worse if they were trying to be honest and actually just this retarded and fooled.

Globalists and their one world government can eat our collective ass.

Its the most absurd power boner blinding rational thought and wisdom of human nature I have ever seen.

THE KICKER is that they think they are intelligent for this rationalization of vile ideology.

a reply to: onequestion

I guess the question is....Sure Hillary is in the pockets of big corporations, but Cruz is too, his wife is an attorney at Big wall street banks, trump is a wall street insider billionaire. So all 3 of them are on the inside.

If Sanders loses the nomination and doesn't think he can run independently, then he should support someone. Jill Stein or the Libertarian candidate won't get in....no main stream coverage it's a weak protest vote.

So do you then support Hillary Cruz or Trump. That's a tough call to me. That's the question. What would you have Sanders do in this case.

a reply to: tadaman
I could not agree more other than add some curse words epitaphs and exclamation points.

a reply to: amazing

Trump hands down. I don't even have to think about it.

a reply to: tadaman

How long are you going to keep up this trolling of Trump supporters? There's just no way that anybody is this willfully ignorant.

a reply to: theantediluvian

What ever globalist.

You can keep advocating for a one world government until you are blue in the face. Go talk to your buddies the Clintons and the Bushes. You guys can argue about tactics and celebrate your unity in purpose.

Ignorant?

You dont even know the difference between globalism and globalization.

Go read something not limited to globalist slave porn-

Trolling? Like NEVER addressing a candidates platform but instead going after his supporters?

Laughable.

EDIT TO ADD:
Here is a star for you. Dont feel so bad.