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The issue clearly is the sexual nature of having a penis in the girls room. Girls are sexually predisposed way too early in society these days and it makes perfect sense why this has some people upset.
Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal said this morning he will veto House Bill 757, also known by critics as the "anti-LGBT" bill.
Opponents of the bill have argued that it discriminates against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.
"I do not think that we have to discriminate against anyone to protect the faith based community in Georgia of which I and my family have been a part of for all of our lives," Deal said today.
originally posted by: FullBloodedNative
a reply to: chuck258
You do know people can rape without a penis and rape is not about sex, it is about control. Women are also capable of raping other women as are men with other men.
What you just said was full of ignorance and irrational fear. If you're that afraid of rape, maybe stay away from other people all together.
and if they don't have a penis, they can't use it to rape a female.
originally posted by: yuppa
I swear..... another closet case passing a law to make him look straight.
Ive got Gender dysphoria myself. And IF i ever get a chance to ill change myself to fit my true gender. I have to ask though WHo in the world goes into a bathroom looking to see another persons junk?
There such a thing as bathroom STALLS. ingenious things made to obscure you when doing your business. Girls and Transgenders BOTH can sit on the toilet to pee. And No one sees their junk.
I assume this bill is aimed at masculine men who are transgender(claimed) trying to see women. And vice versa. Still its a stupid bill.
originally posted by: angeldoll
It concerns me what might happen to a transgendered person who goes into a men's restroom in a rough area, or somewhere like a reststop on the interstate.
Realleader, this is what education is for. It's getting you to think about these things..good for you, and glad to see you are sharing your ambivalence. Hope you can come to terms with this.
originally posted by: chuck258
The only other way I think would be to impede on the rights of Trans folks, in how they dress, and how they must present themselves to the public while in a communal private area (locker rooms, restrooms, etc.)
The best way would be to force Trans women and Trans men to look (physically, but also in some cases dress) almost indistinguishably like the gender they identify with. In the planet fitness case I linked, excuse the expression, but that "woman" is in no way passable as a woman. Her build and face are far to masculine. I'm also assuming she still has her male equipment intact.
I mean, if they were passable as the gender they ID with (like the picture that was linked on the previous page of the Trans Man with facial hair and a trucker cap on) - He doesn't belong in the female's bathroom. And I think in the case of Trans Men, the issue is much less controversial. Trans men are in a restroom with other men and in a worst case scenario, "real" men stand a much better chance of fighting off a Trans man than a "real" woman has of fighting off a Trans Woman (especially one with their male genitalia). It's biology plain and simple, biological human males are, as a rule, stronger than women pound for pound. I know that's not always the case and their are exceptions like I probably couldn't stand toe to toe with Rhonda Rousey. But if you put me at 180 lbs up against a female at 180 lbs, I don't think it's a stretch to imagine I would end up on top. That is what I'm talking about.
"Ok, Trans Women, you can use the females restroom, but you must be pretty much completely indistinguishable from a woman, you can't dress in mens clothes, and make sure you get that voice pitch high enough"
Unless that would be something Trans folk would be willing to do, I forsee their always being conflict on this.
originally posted by: imjack
Without hurting anyone's feelings, there should potentially be some effort by the transgender person to look like the gender of the bathroom they use. Or at least not purposefully looking the opposite...
The problem is it SHOULD BE up to the straight people but they have no voice because they aren't the minority of special snowflakes.
originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: chuck258
Good points. The only thing I can think of is having three restrooms. One for 'trans", but then there might be a stigma (for a while) of being seen coming and going from it. It invades privacy.
From what Europeans say, they all use one restroom anyway, and nobody cares. I don't think the U.S. is ready for that yet.
originally posted by: jkm1864
a reply to: ReadLeader
Do You realize that transgendered people are one of the number # 1 groups that commit suicide? The reason they end up committing suicide is because all the sickos tell them they will be happy when they finally get that evil penis chopped off and get a vagina. The reality is after the surgery they realize they screwed up and can't undo what they've done so they kill themselves due to depression. I'm pretty sure some of the depression is caused by society but getting Your penis chopped off is probably the major factor.