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originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: newnature1
Thought I would critique your post here. I think the timeframe is wrong. It's not 33 years. It's 70 to 80 years. Matthew 24-34 states this. KJV.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
As I see it the term "generation" here is not being used as a measure of time. Rather it's being used to define a group of people. The people being born at the time of the first end time event.
Now even though verse 14 describes that event and there is no way to determine exactly when that event happened I can pose a substitute for that. The creation of the state of Israel in 1948. An end time event predicted in multiple places in the bible.
So I would say that the event of Matthew 24-14 happened on or before May of 1948. The "generation" is at least 68 years old. So May 15 2028 is probably the last possible date for your "telos".
originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: Heresiarch
Because of what Jesus Christ said.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Also we have several things happen since 1948 that indicates he was talking about this generation. First off the creation of a state of Israel. An event predicted multiple times in end time's eschatology. That means it's a likely fig leaf from the parable quoted above.
Secondly, 9-11 and the current mess in the middle east. In the book of Daniel there is a number of end time prophesies. And this is the first event of the end times according to Daniel.
2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
I would point out this is a perfect simile of what led up to the 9-11 attacks. Specifically the Washington DC attack. A place that resembles a 21st century Athens with all the Greco-Roman architecture.
And if that's not enough then there is the 2nd and 3rd events of his end times to worry about. The battle of the ram and goat from Daniel 8. According to that prophesy the "Greeks" from 11-2 attack the middle east and conquer 2 kings there. Iraq and Afghanistan look awfully like a fulfillment of the prophesy. So at this time I count 5 possible fig leaves.
Hell yes, I would be nervous at this point.
And one other thing from Matthew.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
So what did Jesus Christ mean by "carcass" here? I postulate this. He is referring back to the ram of Daniel 8. Because once the ram loses the fight it dies and becomes a carcass. I believe we're watching that process happen in the middle east right now.
If not then it's all been one HELL of a coincidence.
originally posted by: Heresiarch
Nobody is interested in your thread, nobody but me is even interested in stopping your ineffectual hatred because it's all lies anyway and you are all insane apocalypse whores, anyone who believes your filthy rags.