Join the real world, please

When i have a discussion with anyone, i use my cultural base as a reference.. If i have a theory without any proper science behind i try to make a thesis and use scientific, empiric and observational data.. Usually cross references over different areas of expertise, i then gather the information and start deducting plausible scenario..

If i dont use any data of any kind than my own imagination, its called a conspiracy..

Here is where i see extreme cultural differences, all the way from Ideals and to basic belief systems..
If a nation is raised with different cultures it will probably give rise to conflicts.. If someone of influence talks about their own beliefs without any reference to scientific data, well you become an enemy of the state..

When its about tolerance to different cultures, well, its not because its a great idea, its because the choice is not there..
If you cant use common sense, which actually is provided by the mamal brain, well, you become a thing of parasitic nature..

I want people to understand not to use their imagination as reality, but to use imagination to creativity in reality.. If you cant do that, dont interact cause you do much more harm than good..

In the Western world there is one huge nation with scientific illiterature on a scale, and consume three times what they should.. But they call it freedom.. Its time you joined the real world..

originally posted by: AldarKose
If i dont use any data of any kind than my own imagination, its called a conspiracy..

Hate to say it...but if you feel stifled by someone saying that you using only your imagination as evidence of something is "conspiracy" ....perhaps you should better understand the term of the word yourself.

Perhaps then, you might not take it so personally. Perhaps, you'd laugh at the folks saying you were basing your thoughts on "conspiracy".

And, btw.... just because I am one to believe in "conspiracy theories"....does not mean that I am necessarily one that makes things up or takes them from my imagination.

Again, you might want to bone up on that vocabulary of yours.

a reply to: nullafides

How often did you use science?

I'm Scandinavian, English isn't my first language, but I'm sure you speak and write in more language than one?

The only point I would argue based on experience and many conversations with people over the years can be summed up by the phrase: "common sense isn't common anymore."
There has been a vast dumbing down of the general population over the last century. In regards to common sense, I feel it falls into the nurtured, and not natural category.
Which is unfortunate really. Think how wonderful life would be today if it were the other way around.

originally posted by: AldarKose

If i dont use any data of any kind than my own imagination, its called a conspiracy..

No, not a conspiracy, people will often ask you to back up your ideas with facts though. That is not the meaning of conspiracy.

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"
synonyms: plot, scheme, plan, machination, ploy, trick, ruse, subterfuge; informalracket
"a conspiracy to manipulate the results"
the action of plotting or conspiring.
"they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"
synonyms: plotting, collusion, intrigue, connivance, machination, collaboration; treason
"conspiracy to commit murder"

a reply to: reldra

an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights or to gain an unfair advantage, that is called conspiracy.. Now you use the term? I took it from Oxford

a reply to: ThickAsABrick

I love a good conspiracy, but often it leads into a rabbit hole of someone's twisted mind

originally posted by: AldarKose
a reply to: nullafides

How often did you use science?

I'm Scandinavian, English isn't my first language, but I'm sure you speak and write in more language than one?

Actually, I do apologize, as it might easily seem I was taking a cheap shot at the fact that you do not speak English as your first language. But, I assure you that was not the case.

However, I still suggest you expand that vocabulary. Given that this is an english speaking forum, it will only help you out in the longrun.

Now, to answer your question, yes I do speak and write in more than one language. I do actually strive to learn other cultures through learning their language and understanding. Also, yes...unlike many americans, I can state that I have been outside of the American continent. And not while serving in the armed services. More than once.

Now, with regards to using science. Am I a scientist? No. But, I am a software/database engineer. I work with logic.

And yes, when I look to say that something is real, but I do not know the science to back it up, I do what I can to validate the claim and make certain that it makes sense in my own mind.


So...does that answer your questions, OP?

originally posted by: AldarKose
a reply to: ThickAsABrick

I love a good conspiracy, but often it leads into a rabbit hole of someone's twisted mind

This is true unfortunately. Such threads I may read out of curiosity, but with an expectation that it is more science fiction than scientific. Good for entertainment, but don't bet the farm.
In my personal experience though, I have witnessed and experienced things which, if I posted the account here, I would get the response: "Pictures or it never happened." I come to ATS for interesting experiences and find some rabbit holes entertaining.

a reply to: AldarKose

Imagination is the reality of the real world. From imagination all things come, and once manifested it's then refined now with our scientific methodology.

Your cut towards the US is unfounded. Considering the fact, despite our lower education issues, we top the entire world in higher education. That's indisputable.

a reply to: AldarKose

In the Western world there is one huge nation with scientific illiterature on a scale, and consume three times what they should.. But they call it freedom.. Its time you joined the real world..

What is what "we should consume"?

As far as I know, the world is everyones, and you can do with it as you please. Good neighbors extend courtesy, but it is just that. A courtesy, not an obligation.

As far as imagination, it is the only true intelligence there is. It is not the end of logical thought, but without it there is no first step.

I dont really understand what you are talking about, but I am speaking to what I can.

Northern countries from what I can tell always worry about the thoughts of others. In the real world, I dont see that concern. People try to eat, be safe and stave off danger.

In that what people think is only a concern to people without REAL concerns to occupy their time and mind.

I dont make arguments unless I see a real world threat. I argue against socialism in extreme because it is an agent of stagnation for a country eyeball deep in debt as mine is. It is also a fantasy without colonies or a third world to prop it up, but that is peripheral and not central to my reasons. I argue against racism as I see it as a threat to my person, physically. Things like that. It is also wrong but that is a bonus and makes it easier to argue against.

I dont argue against them because I think my ideas are great. I am trying to survive in the real world, so my ideas are geared around that end. I could not care less what people think. Let them think anything they want. All I want is to survive, live better and stay happy.

Also, my happiness is not dependent on food. I have been happier when in true struggle. I never felt so alive.

Perhaps enduring real struggle would make you feel better. The issue you take seems like it is rooted in a lack of true life and its challenges manifesting into the realm of the aether ethereal for substance to life. Thought is not life. It is a reflection of life.

a reply to: AldarKose

Was it a left, a right and a left, to the real world?

originally posted by: AldarKose
In the Western world there is one huge nation with scientific illiterature on a scale, and consume three times what they should.. But they call it freedom.. Its time you joined the real world..

I think this is a little unfair.
You are not taking into consideration cost and relative ease of property ownership, food costs and a culture of "spreading out" due to more land being available than in euro countries. Also ease of travel and fuel costs.

Yes there has been a general dumbing down of younger generations, but that's happening everywhere.

Should I have to move to Europe ( used that term loosely) I'd have to conform more to the cultural norms and change my lifestyle accordingly. Your appliances are smaller, a smaller place to live and public transportation makes more since the distances traveled are vastly shorter. In many instances furniture comes with a place to live, unlike here.

I believe if you came to the US, Canada or Mexico and lived outside of a large city it would become quickly apparent
you, like I would , would have to change to a certain extent your lifestyle.

This is not to say we couldn't do better at recycling and not treating things as disposable, but I really don't think you are taking the cultural differences into account which isn't really fair.

originally posted by: AldarKose
a reply to: ThickAsABrick

I love a good conspiracy, but often it leads into a rabbit hole of someone's twisted mind

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.

Departmentalization has been used for years to cover up and create plausible deniability. If someone wants something hidden, it can be hidden.

a reply to: BooCrackers

So I'm paranoid now?

originally posted by: AldarKose
a reply to: BooCrackers

So I'm paranoid now?

Generally speaking of course......yet I don't really think you grasp the context of what you're speaking on and what it actually means. My point is, even those with the utmost intel on everything isn't going to be privy to everything.

Thus a conspiracy is born.

I very much prefer conspiracy to this so called "real world" which you are attempting to force upon me.