Hungarian PM Claims EU Manufactured Immigration Crisis to Undermine National Sovereignty

originally posted by: Harut
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Just shows that you don't know anything about Hungary,apart from little history and their national anthem. Hungary is extremely bigoted country. Hungary has faced problems with extreme right wing fascism long before the immigration crisis.

Error,
Now I am certain that I know more about Hungarian history than you.
If you did, you never would have brought the Roma issue up. Just ask any Hungarian or even Austrian what most Romas are famous for, and how it affects their economy.

I don't care abut Hungarian history, it's irrelevant. My country has suffered too,which country hasn't in the history ?

Right, so it's fine to murder Roma because they are famous for ? How about gays ? And Jews ? What are they guilty of ?

a reply to: Peeple

he talks about multi-culturism being the threat and in the end calls for multicultural Europe to unite.

What he means is, in my opinion, is for a normal-multicultural Europe to unite, which are the normal immigrants from different countries in or outside the EU, not a moslim-multicultural Europe.

a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Although, if you cite sources that have an overly Israeli view of the world then you will expect a particular worldview.

Hungary has a reasonably sized Jewish population, like other nations in Europe. The problem with Jews is the under-layer of anti-Semitism they have to contend with. This is even found on these Boards, where even now people who think they are enlightened and "aware" spout nonsense about "Jews running everything" and that old magnet of joy, the Protocols.

So long as people want to believe , the Jews will be targeted by all sorts of dicks.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Although, if you cite sources that have an overly Israeli view of the world then you will expect a particular worldview.

Hungary has a reasonably sized Jewish population, like other nations in Europe. The problem with Jews is the under-layer of anti-Semitism they have to contend with. This is even found on these Boards, where even now people who think they are enlightened and "aware" spout nonsense about "Jews running everything" and that old magnet of joy, the Protocols.

So long as people want to believe , the Jews will be targeted by all sorts of dicks.

Hungary has a huge problem with fascism,thats a fact. Almost every country in central/east Europe that was under the soviet influence has problems with fascism,with or without muslims.

To the op
All these countries were piss poor couple of years ago, without EU they would still be in the gutter. I suggest to Victor Orban that Hungary returnes every single handout they've received from EU taxpayers,we'll deport every hungarian back to Hungary and problem solved. They can keep their sovereignty and be a #hole they were before joining EU. Can't believe people fall for Orbans rhetoric on this site.

a reply to: NthOther

He gets it wrong on two major counts: The immigration crisis is not manufactured. It is the result of stress in what used to be called "the third world" and experimental policies in Europe. The big lie is that it is undermining national sovereignty. EU members are already tightening what were recently considered internal borders, and the ethnic tensions being generated in Europe have been a boon for the far right, especially Orban. The rise of ultra-nationalism threatens to shatter the European Union, with nation states fully reclaiming their sovereignty in the aftermath.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: NthOther

The rise of ultra-nationalism threatens to shatter the European Union, with nation states fully reclaiming their sovereignty in the aftermath.

I wish all these small xenophobic european nations that believe The EU Is stealing their sovereignty just exit the union, see how they would handle themselves on the global market. Good luck competing with China,USA,India,Russia etc. Funny how loudest critics are east european countries that were broke before joining EU.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

Funny how loudest critics are east european countries that were broke before joining EU.

You don't get it.

Ever stop to consider why the former Eastern Bloc states are the most vocal in their opposition to how the EU is running things?

It couldn't be that they've been down this road before, could it? If you had watched or read his speech, you'll notice that he makes several comparisons between today's political climate in Europe and that which existed during the Cold War.

It couldn't possibly be that they've experienced first-hand what transnationalism has done to their country, could it?

Nah. Racists and xenophobes. Just shut down your brain altogether and believe whatever the globalists tell you to believe.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr

Funny he doesn't mention the 20,000 Hungarian refugees who were welcomed in Britain 50 years ago.

Convenietly left that group out his nationalist tirade.

Did the Hungarian refugees start pillaging London and blowing s# up when they got there?

Didn't think so.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Hungary has a huge problem with fascism,thats a fact. Almost every country in central/east Europe that was under the soviet influence has problems with fascism,with or without muslims.

I would disagree. The ex-Soviet occupied countries in Eastern Europe do not have a problem with fascism. There may be minority far right and nationalist groups, but they are not mainstream. The same is true for Russia, where there are far right "ultra" nationalists, for example.

Hungary et al just don't want an alien culture imposed upon them. They have the benefit of being able to see other examples throughout Europe where multiculturalism has failed. Why risk it?

It seems that anyone who does not welcome immigration from places that are totally culturally different is a racist, or a fascist. It's the coverall accusation that seeks to close down debate and dissention.

The EU didn't just do that. The EU manufactured the immigration crisis, to attempt to provoke a right-wing overreaction that would have led to the discredit of reasonable conservative political forces emerging in Europe.
That's the reason why Austria is suspending democratic election on the most imbecile excuses Eurocrats could ever come up with. The glue on the ballot boxes.
Attempts at discrediting the rational and sensible right wing parties, had been already described a few years earlier by various EUrocrats such as Giulio Tremonti, who in 2012-2013 was very worried about the upcoming right-turn of the EU in the following years. As usual the EUro#ers response in front of imminent left-wing imbeciles collapse is to create provokations, that aim at discrediting right wing politicians. This was safely and promptly prevented in 2014-2015, by capable patriotic minded citizens and intelligence officers offshoots constantly working against Eurotyranny during the past 2 years, and ready to fight to the end against the Euro#ers, at their leisure.

a reply to: Flanker86

Didn't they steal that election in Austria recently from the right wing guy. Like the postal votes were way way different then the normal votes.

If a country knows the effects of multiculturalism and having a culture imposed on it, Hungary would be that country. Essentially a 3 way buffer state between western europe and eastern europe and the ottomans since forever. Got pummeled over and over.

This manufactured for the upcoming war against Islam. Once the EU shuts the door on Turkey we are close. If they open the door on Turkey a lot of countries will leave the EU