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The word baptizo in Greek, translated “baptize” in the New Testaments, meant to “dip” or “immerse.” It is sometimes argued that in Mark 7:4 and Luke 11:38 the word means “to wash by pouring,” not “immerse”; but in those texts the actual meaning (as historical information substantiates) is to “wash by dipping or immersing in water.”
Q. What meanest thou by this word Sacrament?
A. I mean an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace...
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Heresiarch
Water baptism is a symbol of repentance. It does not give us the Holy Spirit. Being born by water is physical birth from birthing fluids. Being born again is by faith. That is how we receive the Holy Spirit.
You do not need water baptism to be saved. Only faith that Jesus died as payment for our sins.
originally posted by: Heresiarch
Matthew 3:11 " I baptize you with water for repentance, but one who is more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand; and he will clear his threshing floor and will gather his wheat into the granary; but the chaff he will burn with the unquenchable fire."
John speaks like a true prophet. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire is step 2 and 3 in a 3 part baptism that starts with repentance in the water, symbolic of the flood. We are made new like the earth after the flood. When you emerge from the water you become filled with the Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Your new wisdom will fill you with light and the unquenchable fire that burns the chaff is replacing darkness or ignorance with an unquenchable burning, the baptism of fire, that burns forever the evil within.
Matthew 3:16 And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were open to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, " This is my Beloved Son with whom I am well pleased."
This is not a meaningless ritual. This is a transcendent moment for Jesus, one in which he literally has heaven opened to him and the blessings of the Holy Spirit bestowed upon him. And it is immediately before his forty days with Satan. Had he not been baptized, well who knows? But he resisted every temptation in the world. That should be the goal of every one of his followers. To follow in his foot steps and get baptized and receive the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 28: 19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
Jesus taught his disciples to continue this tradition which has lasted to this day. He did call for evangelism. And teach about the necessity of baptism.
Mark 16:16 " The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe [and become baptized] will be condemned. "
Sucks to be the one who doesn't believe and is baptized. Condemnation is bad for the soul.
Acts 1 Corinthians 12:12 For just as the body is one, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slave or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
Done are the old distinctions, when you are baptized in the Spirit you are a member of one body. It doesn't make a difference where you are from or what your race or social status anymore. You don't need distinctions anymore because you become enlightened when you are baptized in the Spirit and see that they only serve to divide.
That is my take on, and the accompanying scripture regarding baptism. I don't think it's a meaningless ritual, I think its essential to salvation or what Jesus calls the Kingdom of God. Without baptism you do not have the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, you are doomed. Baptism is an initiation into a higher way of thinking. The beginning of a never ending quest for the divine from which we came.
You can do it yourself and do not the assistance of another human. In fact, you should have enough faith that you can ask God yourself and he will answer. You could even do it in the shower as long as you ask God to baptize you with the Spirit with a pure heart.
John 3:5 Jesus answered " Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
Being born of water is obviously baptism and Jesus literally is saying you can't go to heaven without it and the Spirit.
Thank you for reading.
originally posted by: Heresiarch
a reply to: Joecanada11
If you have such a negative opinion of the Bible and baptism then why did you come, read it and take time to make sure everyone can see what you think?
If you don't like baptism don't think about it