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The price of Trumps wall

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posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower



Which would be illegal, since US forces can't actually be used to protect the borders...


This is a Man who's ex wives are foreigners but yet wants to build a wall to keep out foreigners; Anything is possible. Hell the hair on his head could be from a recently extinct marsupial. If Rupert Murdoch is a living breathing Monty burns then Trump is his apprentice. That's right Trump-I called you the apprentice.




posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Not that I think that the wall is an answer, but do you have the numbers to compare it to, like the extra border guards needed since there is no wall, the cost to the taxpayer and local communities per year because of illegal immigration, and all associated costs with the number of illegals that enter this country each year, plus are already here?

It'd just be a nice comparison, so that those of us who like to think through the problem actually have a good amount of data with which to do so.

And also, I think your cost estimate is wrong--you could get free labor by putting all of the illegal immigrants in prison to work on the wall every day


That'd save a buck AND make a point!



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Besides, Israel's longest border is like..310 miles.

Not the 1900+ the US/Mexico border is.

Funny how they ask us not to talk about other countries when comparing US to stuff like math and science scores, or healthcare, but hey, if any of them built a wall that kept people out, surely we can too?!

Hilarious.

~Tenth


Yes, comparisons with blinders on selectively equating situations, it is stupid especially since the western world does seem to be experiencing a deliberate government/media orchestrated dumbing down.

A perimeter systems is possible, I developed and deployed these for the military is Africa, our perimeter barriers on the borders totaled about 1000 kilometers and I was involved in the RFQ's for the perimeter they wanted to put around Kruger Park, until the government found out they didn't have the money. So I do have considerable experience in this area primarily in the R&D, development, hardware electronics, data acquisition, AI systems, etc., plus a lot of the costing. When Bush looked at the wall idea in 2006/2007, who was flown down to the DHS contractor in Texas?

;-)

It is doable, obviously anything is if you throw enough money, materials and warm bodies at it. The object would be to make it effective using adequate deterrents while using modularized systems to keep the costs down as low as possible. Lethal systems are a PC nightmare but they do tend to be an excellent deterrent and for those who ignore the warnings, produce many Darwin Awards, I actually find Baboons smarter (especially female) than humans in some cases. There are the political and human aspects to be taken into consideration, but I see a project like this as having the ability to polarize the population and have most go in one direction strengthening the US rather than the Me Me Me's of many directions pulling it apart.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
This is a Man who's ex wives are foreigners but yet wants to build a wall to keep out foreigners...


Stop with the half-truths.

As much as I don't like the idea of Trump (or any of the current candidates) being our president, the reality is that he wants to keep out ILLEGAL immigrants. And that goes for most of the people who support the idea of a wall...and most that don't support the idea of a wall, really. There are not a lot of pro-illegal-immigration folks out there.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz


Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals


But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth


I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz


Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals


But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth


I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....



The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:07 PM
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Illegals consume an inordinate amount of resources whether we are talking jails, schools, healthcare, etc. Any analyses has to include the cost savings associated with reducing the strain on the system.

Whether it is a physical wall, increased bordered agents, or drones.... most people just want our border enforced. Implementation of e-verify and other systems to discourage illegals from even coming in the first place are the first step.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:11 PM
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The wall should be paid for by closing all overseas military bases.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz


Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals


But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth


I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....



The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.


Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Boarder 1954 miles,

High fence (12' tall) with electrical wire and necessary solar panels and batteries costs approximately $175/linear foot, installed. Build 2 of them 100yds apart.

That is 1954miles x $175 = 10,317,120' x $175 =
$1,804,496,000

X2 = $3,608,992,000 TOTAL.

Anyone gets between the fences shoot to kill. Problem solved. Just one state Arizona spends more than that in two years taking care of illeagal immigrants.

**SNIP**
edit on 25-3-2016 by KEACHI because: (no reason given)

edit on 3/25/2016 by Blaine91555 because: Snipped rude comment.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Thecakeisalie

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Coming with with Trillion $ made up figures on poor arguments is not modest or sensible.


I made a modest estimate. What would be your estimate ? you could consult the construction union about pay rates, consult a mining company about the PPT (that's price per tonne) of the materials, the price and amount of fuel needed to transport the minerals, the cost of manufacturing...

That is why I called it a modest estimate. There is crunching the numbers and then there is unforeseen expenses which is why I considered the bare essentials and not included those variables- if I did then the price could be higher and more 'sensible'.


Your estimate of $7 TRILLION over 1900 miles works out to $3.7 BILLION a mile or about $700 000 per foot.

An absolutely ridiculous number....unless you want to hire Obama to manage construction and have Solyndra build it...

The look on the faces of people that can`t count? Priceless.....
edit on 25-3-2016 by M5xaz because: correction



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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Liberals and math don't mix...



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: M5xaz


Because financially, $10.5B is cheaper than paying benefits to an endless flow of illegals


But it would cost..probably 10 times that.

People forget he also wants to hire thousands of government employees to man the border, then you have the equipment required and the maintenance involved with keeping something that big, properly working.

Everybody whose done any kind of real math on this projects, knows the 10 billion dollar argument isn't real. It's just a talking point.

~Tenth


I see
Drop defending the border ?
Defending the border is more expensive than providing tens to hundreds of billions in benefits to illegals ?

W.r.t. the cost of the fence, view the link I gave you.

I know, `Math is hard`.....



The point was that the Wall won't work, so the illegals will still come and we will still be paying for them and the wall.


Right.
So now that the cost argument has been settled, move to another excuse.

Border walls work very very well, in Egypt or Israel for example.

But for liberals, it is never about facts


I'm not a liberal, but I'll play. So you use the it worked in another country argument, but when others point out Socialism working in other countries it's not a valid argument? I guess if it fits your agenda then it works, if not then it won't work. I think facts is the last thing you are looking for.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Liberals and math don't mix...


Trump fans and valid facts/points don't mix either.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

The Actual Cost would be around 10 Billion Dollars to Build considering half the Distance it would have to cover in order to Secure our Southern Boarder would be unneeded because of Natural Land Barriers . Of Course the Nation of Mexico would have to Contribute to the Cost of Building it if it wishes to continue to receive Favorable Trade Relations with it's Neighbor the United States of America . It would also be beneficial to the U.S. Labor Force in Creating Jobs in our Boarder States for it's Construction which if don'e efficiently , would take a number of years .



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Yes we want a non lethal system, crossing a should not and can not be a death sentence. We have a constitution, and it doesn't only apply to citizens. So the punishment must fit the crime.
ALL men are created equal, not just the ones privileged, I know you all hate that word, to have been born in the US.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Mexico is going to tell us to fly a kite and get our factories out of Mexico if we don't like it. It is funny how many forget who was the real winner of NAFTA. It allowed our corps to outsource the jobs to make more money and put an end to the nationalization that was going on down there. We are not the only side with leverage.



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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edit on 25-3-2016 by amicktd because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

S&F for a awesome thread

I say this time and time again,

Trump is a sales man first before anything else and he is trying to sell himself to the American public as POTUS, he will say anything to make that sale even if its that stupid wall. He knows the American people are fed up of illegal immigration so he offers them the promise of a stupid wall, something he knows he can never deliver. He lies through his teeth.

Looking at your maths I actually think 7 trillion is a very conservative estimate



posted on Mar, 25 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

S&F for a awesome thread

I say this time and time again,

Trump is a sales man first before anything else and he is trying to sell himself to the American public as POTUS, he will say anything to make that sale even if its that stupid wall. He knows the American people are fed up of illegal immigration so he offers them the promise of a stupid wall, something he knows he can never deliver. He lies through his teeth.

Looking at your maths I actually think 7 trillion is a very conservative estimate



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