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Giant holes found in Siberia could be signs of a ticking climate 'time bomb'

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posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: lostbook

My opinion is this will cause the next Ice age,why do I think that you ask.

Well if this causes runaway ice melting at the poles this will in turn cause the sea levels to rise creating a much larger surface area with the worlds oceans , that in turn causes a lot more of the suns rays to be reflected back out into space thereby causing the earth to go into a rapid chill. Ice age here we come.

As I recall mammoths were flash frozen last time this happened at a severely low low temperature since even the seeds were in tact in the guts of the animals.




posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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That sounds good for the defense of Global Warming, but how can we verify if this is indeed true? I don't trust what these government funded, corporate entities say. They've been caught lying before.



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: lostbook

You do realise that before man, the very animals on this planet were and are still contributing to the earths 'speeding up' process then any of us could achieve. Did you know for instance, the biggest contribution to the earths problems are infact termites. I was going to tell you to read up about it but to just help, here is the link to an interesting article.

Termites


Except that for ten thousand years the releases from termites were counteracted by the natural forces sequestering carbon and the climatic level was stable. There was a natural evolved equilibrium, and humans developed civilization in this climatic optimum.

Except when man started digging up fossil fuels which have not been in the biosphere for many millions of years. That is a fundamental difference.



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
Not more doom porn again. Let me put you straight especially about Siberia. A few thousand years ago Siberia had a moderate to tropical climate (look up the facts for yourselves) and mammoths thrived in the area.


Mammoths are cold weather animals. Siberia has not had a tropical or moderate climate during any time of homo sapiens.



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: crayzeed
Not more doom porn again. Let me put you straight especially about Siberia. A few thousand years ago Siberia had a moderate to tropical climate (look up the facts for yourselves) and mammoths thrived in the area.


Mammoths are cold weather animals. Siberia has not had a tropical or moderate climate during any time of homo sapiens.


This. Siberia has always been cold it just didn't experience the glaciation that Europe and the mid-latitudes of North America did some 45,000 years ago.



posted on Mar, 28 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

*sorry for the late reply

I'm sorry, but if you claim that the pope has nothing to do with government, you are woefully inept at understanding what the Vatican is and how it works.

If you want me to point you in the direction of where you said government will fix anything, I can't. But like you pointed out, you said "world leaders," and that term implies a reference to those that lead governments around the world. And to be honest, the fact that you are pretending that it was ignorant of me to infer such a connection is quite ridiculous. Perhaps you should have found a better term if you did not, in fact, mean the world leaders of government.

But anyhoo, funny or not, your arguments lack any real concern of mine, so while I appreciate your off-topic ramblings, I'll just leave you with this:

The Pope is considered one of the world's most powerful people because of his diplomatic and cultural influence. He is also head of state of Vatican City, a sovereign city-state entirely enclaved within the Italian capital city of Rome.


The pope has everything to do with government.

Have a fabulous day.

The unfunny SlapMonkey

Oh, and for the record, I'm okay paying for the recyclabled pick-up, as it saves me from driving around taking it to the recycling facility myself, and makes it easier for me to be willing to recycle things in the first place. It's one of those functions that local government should do, IMO.
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posted on Mar, 28 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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My mistake.... Siberia was a moderate climate when the mammoths were about (not tropical). But their last mass extictions date from the late Pleistocene era and as research is now showing early man could have had a hand in reducing their numbers. I aint got no Phd just inteligence to look up and research the information which you could do just as easily.



posted on Mar, 28 2016 @ 03:30 PM
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Okay here you go what they are and what caused them...


The professor, deputy director of the Moscow-based Oil and Gas Research Institute, part of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said: 'We can now say more confidently about the process that led to the formation of the famous Yamal crater B-1. It was combination of a thermokarst (a form of pre-glacial topography) process and the migration of gases from the depth'.

It was also created from a pingo, he believes, something that experts initially doubted.

'It was a pingo or bulgunnyakh (mounds with an ice core common for Arctic and sub-Arctic regions), and then, due to the Earth’s heat flow this pingo starts to thaw and its half melted ice core is filled with gas that originates from the depth through cracks and faults in the ground. 'We know for sure that there is a fissure in the ground under this spot, probably even two intersecting faults - gullies around the spot confirm this. Through the cracks, natural gas got into the melting ice core, filled it and the pingo erupted. It was also heated by a stream of warmth coming from the bowels of the earth through the cracks.'


Seems it wasn't methane either...


It is believed methane gas was largely responsible, though readings taken by the latest expedition showed no abnormal gas levels at the site.


siberiantimes.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
My mistake.... Siberia was a moderate climate when the mammoths were about (not tropical). But their last mass extictions date from the late Pleistocene era and as research is now showing early man could have had a hand in reducing their numbers. I aint got no Phd just inteligence to look up and research the information which you could do just as easily.


OK, so if man hunted mammoths to extinction, what of it?

If climate change caused mass extinctions, what of it?

Seems like the message is that humans acting together can have a large influence on the biosphere, and climate change leads to mass extinctions. I agree with that message, and what it means to counteract our global-warming pollution: stop doing it immediately.


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posted on Mar, 28 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

It seems people seem to forget that we are here because nature put us here. This notion that we are doing wrong, only comes from those that seem to think this is somewhat not normal, well it is normal. We are here just as the plants and trees are here and we take what we feel we need to take. The 'equilibrium' as you put it, has never gone uneven. Think about the thousands of animal species that have died before we were here, dinosaurs alone. We just fill another pocket.

Also the notion the climate has changed, it hasnt. The poles are shifting. Different thing altogether.




posted on Mar, 29 2016 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

Whatever, you can play semantics all you like - I suppose some context is lost on Internet forums.

Oh, and for the record, you stated unqueivocally "government can't fix anything". Notwithstanding your recycling, which I do appreciate, you also said local governments serve a purpose/fix things. Maybe a better delineation of your true argument world have avoided this. Declarative statements are hard to walk back. As for the Pope reference, I concede in the manner in which you presented his ability to affect government, he's a 'world leader' insomuch as a provocateur - policy makers are what my semantics should have conveyed better.



posted on Mar, 29 2016 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: mbkennel

It seems people seem to forget that we are here because nature put us here. This notion that we are doing wrong, only comes from those that seem to think this is somewhat not normal, well it is normal. We are here just as the plants and trees are here and we take what we feel we need to take. The 'equilibrium' as you put it, has never gone uneven. Think about the thousands of animal species that have died before we were here, dinosaurs alone. We just fill another pocket.

Also the notion the climate has changed, it hasnt. The poles are shifting. Different thing altogether.



My opinion is that the climate DOES change as the poles shift. The seasons seem to be shifting also.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 02:21 AM
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a reply to: lostbook

Well yes climate would change due to poles shifting but this is different to climate changing due to human intervention. As with such a shift in the poles, climate and seasons would be different to yes. The world is an interesting and beautiful system.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: BeefNoMeat

We can end it at this, because I think that we probably both agree with this statement: Governments never "fix" problems, they provide services that either generally kick a can down the road, or obviously make situations worse.

However, they do serve a purpose at a basic function, and I think that roads, and trash/recycling services, and first responders, and utilities, and these types of things are a necessary service if we're to live in a community/society. But even in that, they most often times manage these things rather poorly, they cost more than they should, and corruption generally always creeps in at some point or another.

So, please don't mistake my broadly painted comments about how government never fix anything to mean that they still don't serve a necessary purpose. But to claim that governments (which was implied via your comment to which I originally replied, even if mistakenly so) that governments can fix climate change--a process that I would assert is more than likely greater than 75% a natural process (but probably more like 95%)--is relatively absurd, and that's all that I was trying to point out.

I consider this another notch in the long notched belt of government(s) trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist instead of doing the appropriate thing: Adapt.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

Adapt or mitigate. Neither of which lines the coffers...nice discussion.



posted on Mar, 30 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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Since 2010 we have seen the ocurance of giant sink holes increase dramatically...
from a rare and mysterious event to a troubling increasingly more frequent dilemma...
It is a possibility the solar minimum is effecting the spin and electrical field of the earth...
The more energy the sun gives off the faster the core of the earth spins some would say the faster the earth spins...
This is true but only minutely and thus not noticeable over the mortal length of a day...
Also the normal charge given off by the sun is minimal during the solar minimum...
I purpose this is effecting the way the core and the atmosphere interact through its electromagnetic field...
It is literally changing the shape of the earth because of the speed of the core slowing down...
Causing the earth to go from more of an oval to more of a sphere...
This is causing water levels to rise because of a lessened centrifugal force and also increasing the attracting forces of the core to crust because of the lack of normal charges normal introduces from the sun...
Thus causing the crust to be pulled towards the core...
Causing effects such as fracturing increased volcanic activity sinkholes and liquefaction but also increasing temperatures from within the earth itself attributing to melting of permafrost...
If this is true the entire earth could be literally tilled over and reformed as the effects increase in regularity and severity...
How's that for doom porn?
What is truly scary is that I'm not kidding...

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