Giant holes found in Siberia could be signs of a ticking climate 'time bomb'

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Hahaha...you're funny.

All public officials are in the pockets of Big Energy.

I don't think that the solution to anything that humanity does lies within national governments, as they overwhelmingly screw things up and make situations worse.

I just think that, if everyone tried a little harder to not be dicks to the environment on an individual scale, we'd see a lot more accomplished. I mean, I can't even get people to throw recyclables into a separate bin in my neighborhood, and we have recycling service included with our standard trash pick-up cost. It's as simple as buying a $20 bin (or, I even think that they supply one for free) and take a second to think to one's self, "Is this trash, or can it be recycled?"

Government can't fix that.

Maybe these holes have always been around as part of the process of warming/cooling. However, there seems to be a lot of holes opening up in many places all over the world in recent years: Siberia, the Dead Sea, Florida, Michigan, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Mt Baldy, etc. The number of holes appearing in recent years is strange to say the least. This can't be normal.

I would like to see evidence of this. I'm honestly interested in this.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Haha....you're not funny in the least.

I guess you're not getting those recyclables picked up by the government that charges you your standard $20 trash pickup. Duplicity is not a funny thing. Try again.

And for a lack of a more appropriate term, I used "world leaders". Last time I checked the Pope was very much a world leader and had nothing to do with government (just one example of a world leader that is untethered to government). Point me in the direction in which I said government was gonna fix anything.

Biases and preconceived notions of certain context of language (e.g. your attempt to to my term to government) won't fix anything.

But again, you're not funny. Maybe you can recycle your preconceived notions of the context of language when you're lamenting "we have recycling included in our standard trash pick-up cost" provided by the government that can't fix anything.

Not more doom porn again. Let me put you straight especially about Siberia. A few thousand years ago Siberia had a moderate to tropical climate (look up the facts for yourselves) and mammoths thrived in the area. So what's the difference between then and now? It also stands to reason that man (your ancestors) were around at that time and survived the very vast changes that went on then ie. mammoths freezing to death instantly, with food still in their mouths. We now are proof that our ancestors lived through those changes.
So what if the arctic melts, we will have to adapt or else. And no, I don't believe man can change or even slow down what is happening to the Earth.

a reply to: lostbook

You know, all this climate doom porn is getting insulting.

They must think we are fracking retarded

Yet weather satellites tell us there has been no mean global temperature increase for the last 18 years, so where is this heat coming from?

Yes the planet is warming up. Just as they have planned. Nice, warm and tropical. It's going to be Just like the Reptilian invaders like it. Make sure you don't look yummy to them. Good luck.

a reply to: lostbook

What I don't understand is why there is no National discussion or debate concerning the Permafrost/Methane issue.

Because debate is pointless as it always involves me writing a check to some a-hole Globalist who wants to implement U.N. Agenda 21 or some other crap that increases their power over us.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

Maybe these holes have always been around as part of the process of warming/cooling. However, there seems to be a lot of holes opening up in many places all over the world in recent years: Siberia, the Dead Sea, Florida, Michigan, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Mt Baldy, etc. The number of holes appearing in recent years is strange to say the least. This can't be normal.

I would like to see evidence of this. I'm honestly interested in this.

Well the increased population and use of water in this area are probably the cause. This means the different areas likely have different causes for the holes.
www.accuweather.com...

The Dead Sea is robbed of 2 billion gallons of water each year because of water diverted from the lake's main water source - the Jordan River - since the 1960s, according to the American Associate, Ben-Gurion University of the Negev. Mining of minerals from the Dead Sea has also contributed to the disappearance of the lake's dense and salty water.
The 2 billion gallons of water translates to a decline in water levels of a meter every year (on average) or a total of 30 meters since 1970, according to research conducted by Duke University.
"With the Dead Sea level dropping so rapidly [a meter a year, on average], these sinkholes are inevitable," said Mark Wilson, a geology professor at the College of Wooster.
While researchers have agreed on different hypotheses, not many disagree that the declining water levels are behind the phenomenon.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

Releasing this gas durning a mini ice age could be beneficial counter acting the cooling, I lean toward global cooling over heating. The weather is so unpredictable anymore, I don't think there is one answer nor one cause.

2:32 youtu.be... so they appear uniquely methane

a reply to: lostbook

The poles are shifting, not warming due to humans. The government taxes on the unknown change and everyone pays up.

They will change and places known for its weather will reverse. This happens at various times throughout the earths life, we are just privy to it now.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: lostbook
This planet has been through cataclysms before, and life didn't fare so well. We aren't immune to it happening again, just because we're the latest and greatest iteration of our species. Sooner or later, we will be starting over with little more than a remnant of our former civilization. It's just a matter of whether it is sooner or later, but it IS inevitable.

Pathetic! Including all those who starred you. If anybody is the cause of anything and they can do something to mitigate the effects then it is incumbent on them to do something about.

Got children? Are you willing to look them in the face and state "We could have done something but chose not to when we had the chance, sorry kids the world is now screwed for you"

originally posted by: crayzeed
Not more doom porn again. Let me put you straight especially about Siberia. A few thousand years ago Siberia had a moderate to tropical climate (look up the facts for yourselves) and mammoths thrived in the area. So what's the difference between then and now? It also stands to reason that man (your ancestors) were around at that time and survived the very vast changes that went on then ie. mammoths freezing to death instantly, with food still in their mouths. We now are proof that our ancestors lived through those changes.
So what if the arctic melts, we will have to adapt or else. And no, I don't believe man can change or even slow down what is happening to the Earth.

I never realised you were an expert. What is your PHD in again?

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: lostbook

The poles are shifting, not warming due to humans. The government taxes on the unknown change and everyone pays up.

They will change and places known for its weather will reverse. This happens at various times throughout the earths life, we are just privy to it now.

I agree with you that the poles are shifting and great change is on our doorstep. However, I think that man's activity(ies) is/are speeding up this process. We need to stop or slow down those activities to get that process back to an acceptable time frame. Otherwise, our demise will be swift and sudden.

originally posted by: pikestaff
Yet weather satellites tell us there has been no mean global temperature increase for the last 18 years, so where is this heat coming from?

the Earth 'Mantle' which surrounds the Earth Core(s) [both inner & outer cores]

it is very possible that the circulation of the molten rock which makes up the substance of the Mantle
hits a snag or circulation problem at various times during the age of the planet

perhaps when more-than-one of the various subduction zones get a build up of newer surface crust from the plate tectonic edges sinking into the depths and into the Magma layer ... the hotter Magma from around the Core travels upward instead of mixing with the layer ocean of Magma which is several thousand miles thick
AND hot-spots abound dormant surface volcanos erupt anew, Siberian permafrost melts, millions of cubic miles of Lava lands emerge as new land is created under-the-sea & in places like Greenland & the Russian Peninsula which has dozens of newly active eruptions going on daily

Climate Change will be a big issue by the end of the century when it starts to affect people. Until then, some people even deny it exists while others think it is the biggest issue we face this century.

Odds are we will see big impacts by 2100 alone. Some of us alive now will be alive then.

Global warming is just NOT a universally accepted problem. Half of the US political powers (Republicans) just don’t accept it as fact. They hold the senate and congress.

So nothing really happens.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

Pathetic! Including all those who starred you.

Now now. Never let p***s envy guide your fingers on the keyboard. It's not healthy, and we say things we shouldn't.

If anybody is the cause of anything and they can do something to mitigate the effects then it is incumbent on them to do something about.

Agreed. But I wasn't referring to the mess that has been made by men who care more about their monopoly money than their fellow human beings, and the rest of us who have let them get by with it for decades now. From my perspective, they exacerbate the problem, but they are by no means the only cause of it.

I was referring to the natural cycle of the earth, the cataclysms that have happened in the past, and the natural cataclysms that will inevitably happen again, whether or not we help it along. We are not a type 1 civilization. Control of the entire planets natural processes is beyond us at present. So yes, we would do well not to hasten what will come on its own in due time. On that, I'm sure we can agree.

a reply to: lostbook

You do realise that before man, the very animals on this planet were and are still contributing to the earths 'speeding up' process then any of us could achieve. Did you know for instance, the biggest contribution to the earths problems are infact termites. I was going to tell you to read up about it but to just help, here is the link to an interesting article.

Termites

Their estimate was large enough to cause concern - they concluded that termites could produce as much as 150 million tonnes of methane a year

I would say someone is pulling the wool over our eyes.


UPDATE:

To add to this post also ...

Fossil fuel production, distribution and use creates 110 million tonnes of methane annually.

Fossil Fuels

So termites 150 Million tonnes to human fossal fuels 110 million. Termites alone outweight us.