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posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

That's what the Man said , are you callin' him a Liar Frank ?




posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

P.S. An interesting afterthought. Cruz 'might' consider he would have had the nomination if Trump hadn't entered this. Being second and hated almost as much as Trump, himself, he may know he isn't going to win this. REVENGE! Try to take trump out with him....just a thought...



I can see you're wearing your supersized Thinking Cap today, NWTrucker! Cruz and Trump going down in flames together would delight the Republican leaders to no end. Surely these two must know this.

What would happen if Trump/Cruz banded together? The Repub Establishment wouldn't dare slap that team down, and they'd easily beat Hillary! But the million dollar question is, which one would be willing to be the Vice President?


edit on 3/26/2016 by carewemust because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

So you're of the assumption Trump isn't a liar like Cruz?

A big difference, in my mind is Cruz took an oath of office....like the rest of them, and has betrayed the public trust.
Trump? Meh. A lot of spin, but I'd say we all 'lie' ....hopefully not after an oath is sworn, of at least a lot less than the current lot.

I have stated this before; "Where did all of the smart people go" as this is what is left to us 'bottom feeders' running for the highest office in the land (BOTH PARTIES).
edit on 26-3-2016 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: carewemust


It would be interesting....more popcorn needed...



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: MrSpad

More of these polls..ugghh! 2 months ago polls had Trump ahead in both Florida and Ohio. There are 7+ months until the election. Stop with the polls already. In May 1992 polls had Perot ahead of both Clinton and Bush. How did that turn out?


A random poll here or there will pop with Trump but consistently over the last year it has been Clinton by different margins. And yes for a month Perot was on top in the national poll, although never when you took the state by state electoral count and polling into account. Because numbers pop here and there you have to look at longer term numbers that show consistency and do so by states that effect the electoral college. Trump constantly loses key battleground states since the primaries began and that gap has just gotten larger.


That all depends upon how you view this election. I choose to view it as similar to 68, 88, 2000, and 2008. Those early leaders didn't hold up. In fact, after the conventions all 4 races changed. Believe me, Clinton's lead means nothing now



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit


That's what the Man said , are you callin' him a Liar Frank ?




posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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In a Reuters head to head, trump seems to be easily beating Cruz, both overall and with Republicans. This is not what Cruz has been saying....

All respondents


Republican respondents

edit on 26/3/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)


source
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posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: MrSpad

More of these polls..ugghh! 2 months ago polls had Trump ahead in both Florida and Ohio. There are 7+ months until the election. Stop with the polls already. In May 1992 polls had Perot ahead of both Clinton and Bush. How did that turn out?


A random poll here or there will pop with Trump but consistently over the last year it has been Clinton by different margins. And yes for a month Perot was on top in the national poll, although never when you took the state by state electoral count and polling into account. Because numbers pop here and there you have to look at longer term numbers that show consistency and do so by states that effect the electoral college. Trump constantly loses key battleground states since the primaries began and that gap has just gotten larger.


That all depends upon how you view this election. I choose to view it as similar to 68, 88, 2000, and 2008. Those early leaders didn't hold up. In fact, after the conventions all 4 races changed. Believe me, Clinton's lead means nothing now


It is not so much about leaders as opinions on the candidates, although this sort huge margin is very rare. When it comes to Trump their is not large margin of undecided opinion on him as their normally is on candidates. His highly disapprove and disapprove numbers are huge. That means people have already made their decision on him. And it really has nothing to do with who is running against him. Since he entered the race he has polled losing against anyone the DNC put up. Those numbers change when it is Cruz or any other GOP candidate. With Trump it has always been the same. The majority of the population hates him. They are not voting for someone so much as they are voting against him. Numbers like that are unheard of.



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: MrSpad

More of these polls..ugghh! 2 months ago polls had Trump ahead in both Florida and Ohio. There are 7+ months until the election. Stop with the polls already. In May 1992 polls had Perot ahead of both Clinton and Bush. How did that turn out?


A random poll here or there will pop with Trump but consistently over the last year it has been Clinton by different margins. And yes for a month Perot was on top in the national poll, although never when you took the state by state electoral count and polling into account. Because numbers pop here and there you have to look at longer term numbers that show consistency and do so by states that effect the electoral college. Trump constantly loses key battleground states since the primaries began and that gap has just gotten larger.


That all depends upon how you view this election. I choose to view it as similar to 68, 88, 2000, and 2008. Those early leaders didn't hold up. In fact, after the conventions all 4 races changed. Believe me, Clinton's lead means nothing now


It is not so much about leaders as opinions on the candidates, although this sort huge margin is very rare. When it comes to Trump their is not large margin of undecided opinion on him as their normally is on candidates. His highly disapprove and disapprove numbers are huge. That means people have already made their decision on him. And it really has nothing to do with who is running against him. Since he entered the race he has polled losing against anyone the DNC put up. Those numbers change when it is Cruz or any other GOP candidate. With Trump it has always been the same. The majority of the population hates him. They are not voting for someone so much as they are voting against him. Numbers like that are unheard of.


George H.W. Bush trailed Dukakis by double digits headeding into the Summer of 88. He trailed by as many as 9 points in August. Bush was not very well liked. All it took was Willie Horton to turn the tide. Does Hillary have a Willie Horton lurking in her closet?



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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Double post
edit on 26-3-2016 by Arizonaguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: MrSpad

More of these polls..ugghh! 2 months ago polls had Trump ahead in both Florida and Ohio. There are 7+ months until the election. Stop with the polls already. In May 1992 polls had Perot ahead of both Clinton and Bush. How did that turn out?


A random poll here or there will pop with Trump but consistently over the last year it has been Clinton by different margins. And yes for a month Perot was on top in the national poll, although never when you took the state by state electoral count and polling into account. Because numbers pop here and there you have to look at longer term numbers that show consistency and do so by states that effect the electoral college. Trump constantly loses key battleground states since the primaries began and that gap has just gotten larger.


That all depends upon how you view this election. I choose to view it as similar to 68, 88, 2000, and 2008. Those early leaders didn't hold up. In fact, after the conventions all 4 races changed. Believe me, Clinton's lead means nothing now


It is not so much about leaders as opinions on the candidates, although this sort huge margin is very rare. When it comes to Trump their is not large margin of undecided opinion on him as their normally is on candidates. His highly disapprove and disapprove numbers are huge. That means people have already made their decision on him. And it really has nothing to do with who is running against him. Since he entered the race he has polled losing against anyone the DNC put up. Those numbers change when it is Cruz or any other GOP candidate. With Trump it has always been the same. The majority of the population hates him. They are not voting for someone so much as they are voting against him. Numbers like that are unheard of.


George H.W. Bush trailed Dukakis by double digits headeding into the Summer of 88. He trailed by as many as 9 points in August. Bush was not very well liked. All it took was Willie Horton to turn the tide. Does Hillary have a Willie Horton lurking in her closet?


...and don't forget Bernie managed a 60 point swing in 6 months...



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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What Mr.Spad omits is Hillary's disapproval numbers are close to Trump's.

It certainly does matter who Trump runs against. Especially if Trump uses his own resources to expose the speaking fees and the correlation to her endorsement record. Trump is way outside the envelope of political games.

He could easily overwhelm the old lady in debates and her less than stellar record. This is totally outside 'normal' politics.

This is wide open.



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth
Sanders won Alaska and Washington State by very large margins. I want to see donkeys and elephants race each other at Santa Anita.
edit on 26-3-2016 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Arizonaguy


What Mr.Spad omits is Hillary's disapproval numbers are close to Trump's.

It certainly does matter who Trump runs against. Especially if Trump uses his own resources to expose the speaking fees and the correlation to her endorsement record. Trump is way outside the envelope of political games.

He could easily overwhelm the old lady in debates and her less than stellar record. This is totally outside 'normal' politics.

This is wide open.



No the numbers are not close. Clinton and Cruz are close on disapproval numbers. Trumps numbers are in a ball park all of his own. Trumps biggest problem is he has now alienated women voters. The violence at the rallies has been a deal breaker with them it seems.

And people like to point out well at one point this candidate was ahead of that candidate but. they lost. And that happens, candidates tend to have spikes where one will lead the other. However Trump has from the start consistently lost against any of the DNC candidates the only thing that changes in how badly. Cruz and Kasich have has multiple spikes. Kasiich enough that if he were the GOP candidate he would have a shot, in particular because he does well in swing states.

Short term things like Clinton now beating Trump in Utah and only losing by 2 points in Texas can be seen as aberrations unless they continue to poll that way. However long term shows people are not changing their minds and moving toward Trump. The GOP primaries have shown the same trend. People drop and their supporters go to anyone but, Trump.



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 03:25 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko

1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th, 11th, 14th for starters.


*eyeroll*
That's ridiculous to even think about, let alone suggest. Those aren't going anywhere. Hysterical catastrophizing is not good for anyone, does nothing productive, and is harmful. You are wallowing in it. I just hope you don't talk about that kind of thing in front of (or with, or within earshot of) your kid. Don't expose him to hysterical nonsense like that.

He's at a very impressionable age...and kids pay attention to parents' moods, behaviors, hissy fits, and invented trauma. You'll screw him up for life if you don't stop it.



But Trump is worse than hitler and will insult some idiot leaders wife and the guy will start a nuclear WW3, right?

Will that be before or after he deports 15 million mexicans ban all muslims and crashes the economy starting a trade war with pacific rim?



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 03:32 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker


Trump's disapproval numbers are high, but most people who vote Republican seem to dislike the current Republican Establishment as much as Hillary/Bernie. All 3 are disliked more than Trump.



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: ketsuko

1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th, 11th, 14th for starters.


*eyeroll*
That's ridiculous to even think about, let alone suggest. Those aren't going anywhere. Hysterical catastrophizing is not good for anyone, does nothing productive, and is harmful. You are wallowing in it. I just hope you don't talk about that kind of thing in front of (or with, or within earshot of) your kid. Don't expose him to hysterical nonsense like that.

He's at a very impressionable age...and kids pay attention to parents' moods, behaviors, hissy fits, and invented trauma. You'll screw him up for life if you don't stop it.



But Trump is worse than hitler and will insult some idiot leaders wife and the guy will start a nuclear WW3, right?

Will that be before or after he deports 15 million mexicans ban all muslims and crashes the economy starting a trade war with pacific rim?





There is now growing evidence that Trump caused global warming and is the single reason for the coming apocalypse.



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 09:36 AM
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Where has Trump lost to a DNC candidate in debate? There hasn't been any. Shots at speaking engagements aren't debates as there is no direct rebuttal.

Disapproval numbers change drastically when one 'dislikes' both options. In the case of Trump Vs Clinton, if one dislikes both it comes down to who the better leader is or who will create meaningful jobs, in other words, issues.


Rest assured, if it comes down to 'open borders' or a 'wall', the dislike of Trump will diminish.....drastically.


Oh yes, the poll numbers on that issue are unarguable....



posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: nwtrucker


Trump's disapproval numbers are high, but most people who vote Republican seem to dislike the current Republican Establishment as much as Hillary/Bernie. All 3 are disliked more than Trump.



Absolutely! I don't 'like' Trump. I detest the rest.

P.S. Trump needs to get back on the issues and issues ONLY. He will never win a personality contest...LOL. I want an effective President and I could care less if it's the Hunchback of Notre Dame.
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posted on Mar, 27 2016 @ 10:56 AM
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I'm just gonna leave this here:
 Ted Cruz Backers Should Be Ashamed of Themselves and Their ‘Wacko Bird’ Candidate


 Cruz is running the same race as Trump. The two Republicans who were equally unacceptable at the start of the race are even more unacceptable now.

 To suggest otherwise is absurd. And those who make that suggestion should be ashamed of themselves.


Just in case anyone is still reading the thread.




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