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Trump or Cruz?

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posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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Risking pissing off everyone outside these two choices, and assuming the Republican Establishment won't so desperate and suicidal enough to field an sponsored, independent candidate of their choosing in the event of the convention not going their way, these are the two to choose from on the so-called right.

Also assuming Hillary is the likely candidate for the so-called left.

In this likely scenario, who is the better choice?

There's many factors involved. To name just a few, which has the better chance of winning against Hillary...OK or Sanders....just to keep the short attention span of the left entertained.....
. The there's the effectiveness as a President. Economics, international issues, co-operation both within the party and with the opposition.

Perhaps looking at the potential damage to the 'Party' if either isn't elected?

I've made my current position pretty clear the last few weeks, I prefer Trump over Cruz.

All I ask is please give lip-service to objectivity in your posts. If you prefer one over the other try to come up with at least one good thing to say about the other candidate. I will set a small eg with this comment. "If Trump isn't selected, then of the remaining, lousy freaking choices, I suppose Cruz would be slightly better"....


The first point I will make is Trump's wife is hotter....



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posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Let's see , a Confident Natural Born Leader like Trump , or A Lyin' Bible Thumping Hypocrite ? I think the Answer for Most Americans is Self Evident here .



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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I'd vote for Cruz... for Prime Minister of Canada. He is eligible.

edit on 23-3-2016 by Konduit because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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It's Trump and it's not even close. An alpha male who says what he thinks, is not beholden to special interests or lobbyists, wants to protect America, its people and its borders and has an enormous track record of success.

Shillary is a criminal, whether you want to talk bring up Benghazi, the emails, taking donations from terror sponsoring states while Secretary of State, Whitewater, the dead bodies around her and her husband, etc. A bold faced lying criminal.

And Cruz is a weasel. No idea what he stands for. Essentially tries to copy Trump. Dirty tactic across this campaign trail. A pure politician who'll say and do anything to get elected.

Trump's the only hope.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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neither.

but, if i had to pick between the two - trump.

cruz is a scary son of a #itch. keep religion out of politics!



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:48 PM
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Come on, guys, remember Reagan's 11th commandment. Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.


Let's be frank here, none of these guys are perfect. Cruz would be preferable over Hillary. (Even if the establishment has stated giving the election to Hillary is preferable over a Trump Presidency. It speaks volumes that the era of the Republican Party is OVER.)



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
neither.

but, if i had to pick between the two - trump.

cruz is a scary son of a #itch. keep religion out of politics!


You raise an interesting point. Personally, I'm not a Christian, but I'm not afraid of a truly religious man. In Cruz's case, I suspect it's more pandering to a demographic as much as true belief.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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If I was not already set on Ron White, given the hypothetical between Trump or Cruz I would go with Trump for one reason...

Cruz was elected as one of the Two Senators for the state of Texas on a platform of going to Washington to put breaks on a Senate that was not doing its Job. I know for myself when he went there he made a ton of promises, which in good faith he was starting to keep with his Green eggs and spam reading, a politician who WAS standing by his word, but less then a Year on the Job he starts trying to run for President. That Pissed me off at him. As a Texan I feel he Broke every promise he made when he ABANDONED the position we dully elected him for. I do not look at the Office of the President as a Higher Office, Just a lateral Job change with Less Power to do any good. He is trying to go from Gate Keeper to being the Organ Grinder Monkey in a Golden Cage. That dereliction of Duty is why I see Cruz as unfit for Office of President period, in fact by his running I honestly think he should have a vote of No Confidence on his Vacated Senate seat and an Election Held to replace him even if he Looses the Primary. He Did not do the Job we sent him there for why should he be allowed to do a different Job. Sick sad thing is this same Logic Applies to Sanders also for the exact same reason.

But thank the Powers that Be that Ron White is running at least I can vote for a Buffoon with the full confidence and certainty that is exactly what he is....



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

If they give Trump the shaft at the convention and give the nomination to Cruz, I think a lot of Trump supporters simply won't vote in protest. Considering Cruz is going along with the establishment to derail Trump, it really will be a slap in the face of all Trump supporters. Ignoring the will of the people, will affect the public support for the republican party.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:14 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
neither.

but, if i had to pick between the two - trump.

cruz is a scary son of a #itch. keep religion out of politics!


FYI...for all who vote democrat...




posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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Neither.

Trump being portrayed as a natural born leader was worth a smile, though...

A natural born leader wouldn't have nearly half the nation, seemingly, wanting to smack him upside the head...or worse.

Cruz is a pandering idiot, who shouldn't even be mentioned any longer.

I'm voting Independent, just as I have the last three Presidential election cycles.

Trump. Clinton. Sanders. Aren't the only choices out there, folks. Thank God!



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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a reply to: Skywatcher2011

No, in point of fact they aren't.

I am, if you wish to put it so crudely, a "Trump hater". Yet, golly gee, I didn't vote for Obama, either. In fact, using the "Trump Hater" criteria, I can safely be called an "Obama hater", too.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons


Agreed. I wouldn't vote in protest and more importantly to facilitate
the formation of a replacement party for the Republican....



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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Ted is a mess.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:27 PM
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a reply to: seagull

I question the logic of a 'natural born leader' somehow has to be popular with everyone.

Half the country sounds about right, though.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

The smartest choice would be for them to team up and for Cruz to take the VP spot and commit his delegates to Trump to put Trump over the top so that a brokered convention is out of the question before the convention goes down in flames.

If the GOPe achieves that brokered convention, both Trump and Cruz are screwed and they are the only two people have been interested in to any real degree. Both also pull in different segments of the electorate to make the ticket stronger.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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Well if your the GOP you want Cruz. While both Cruz and Trump get killed in the general election polling, Cruz does a little better and would likely see more Republican voters not sit home as would be the case with Trump. So they would do better in the Senate and in local elections. And Trump has the opposition pumped to stop him. With most of the nations hate on Trump. Cruz has sort of gotten a free pass where as any other time he would be the one drawing the nations ire.

Still neither are good choices when you look electoral math. Cruz would do better but, it will still be an ugly beating. Clinton kills Trump in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina all which the GOP would need for a win, they are tied in Arizona and Trump barely holds a lead in Texas and is losing in Utah. With Trump, Texas in contention to go Clinton and that would be a disaster. With Cruz your going to get your normal Red states but, you lose in battle ground states (except Arizona), and you lose in blue states but, at least you hold the Red states solid. With Trump you lose battle ground states, Blue states and some Red states with more than normal in play.

Best case for the GOP is a brokered convention and they toss somebody like Ryan or another GOPer not seen as insane who has not been dirtied by the current primaries. With a choice like that they have chance at independents which neither Trump nor Cruz do.

In office you are better off with Trump. He has no idea how the Government even works so he would get nothing done, not to mention both parties hate him so Congress would pass things he hates and override his votes and never pass anything he wants. Cruz at least would have the GOP backing him and be able to get some of his agenda done. Both will make the US look bad in the eyes of the World, Trump in particular is global joke.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: WeRpeons

They wont' give the nomination to Cruz. They hate him as much as Trump, maybe more.

If they achieve a brokered convention, both Trump and Cruz are screwed.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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A brokered convention? Yes please.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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They broker it and Hillary, Bernie or whomever runs when Hillary is indicted will be our next president.



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