Time to raise the voting age.

originally posted by: TarzanBeta
I have to say, I definitely get how xstealth feels. I agree with the posters who mentioned how their parents are largely to blame also. I also am glad for Metallicus that his daughter is reasonable. That's probably because he is a good dad, though. What I find most intriguing though is that the majority of the responses you received here, xstealth, are simply childish. .. even those that had a valid point to be made. Interesting. But you're right, the college demographic is a problem in political reality.

Dude. The perception that the millennial generation are a bunch of slackers is typical old people versus young people nonsense. Crap that has been going on for as long as parents have been having children. If you actually look at statistics and studies, the millennial generation is considered one of the hardest working generations since the greatest generation thanks to all the economic, political, and social # our parents dumped on us.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Exactly. And it's not like our generation is the one writing inflated govt budgets, creating trade imbalances, crashing economies, outsourcing entire industries, propping up the MIC, constantly slashing the social safety net through austerity, etc.

If people are so keen to blame an entire generation for the problems of today, wouldn't that apply more to the older generations since they're the ones who created and enabled those problems in the first place? Millennials have no geo-political power, control a miniscule portion of the economy, and have virtually no say in any government policies. We don't run the education system, the judicial system, or anything else in society. Many of us literally weren't even born during the Cold War. Yet somehow we're the ones to blame for society's screw ups?

(note: This isn't aimed at you; I'm actually agreeing w/your post)

originally posted by: MrSpad
Hey I do not like what this group of people thinks so lets just deny them the right to vote.

You mean like 16 year olds?
10 year olds?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If people are so keen to blame an entire generation for the problems of today, wouldn't that apply more to the older generations since they're the ones who created and enabled those problems in the first place? Millennials have no geo-political power, control a miniscule portion of the economy, and have virtually no say in any government policies. We don't run the education system, the judicial system, or anything else in society. Many of us literally weren't even born during the Cold War. Yet somehow we're the ones to blame for society's screw ups?

Hey now, you stop being so damn reasonable and well-thought out with your opinions; there's no place for that in a good ol' fashioned "damned-youth-back-in-my-day-we-what-knew..." circle jerk.

originally posted by: xstealth
In the old days people used to have jobs and families at 18, now the younger generation still lives with their parents over a quarter of their lives. We have 25 year old, "college students", who've never worked a real job in their lives who think they know something about life. At 18 you were a man, now you're a college student.

They live with their parents, never worked, never been in the real world, yet they are at the helm of political protests and voting efforts. They simply are not qualified to vote.

I think raising the voting age is an appropriate response to an increasing lazy and non-driven generation.

Raise the voting ages to 25 years old, but still 18 years old for military and people who work for a living to the point they actually pay taxes, not get all of it returned every year because they don't meet the income requirements.

Great Idea , but the Liberal Democrats might have a Hissy Fit . LOL

If your old enough to be shipped off to another country to die for big oil
and combat the CIA oops, I mean ISIS

then i say your old enough to vote.

originally posted by: xstealth
In the old days people used to have jobs and families at 18, now the younger generation still lives with their parents over a quarter of their lives. We have 25 year old, "college students", who've never worked a real job in their lives who think they know something about life. At 18 you were a man, now you're a college student.

They live with their parents, never worked, never been in the real world, yet they are at the helm of political protests and voting efforts. They simply are not qualified to vote.

I think raising the voting age is an appropriate response to an increasing lazy and non-driven generation.

Raise the voting ages to 25 years old, but still 18 years old for military and people who work for a living to the point they actually pay taxes, not get all of it returned every year because they don't meet the income requirements.

In the good old days anyone who wanted to work could find a decent job with good pay and didn't need a degree to do so. In the good old days the cost of living compared to wages earned was much different than it is now. Nowadays you have people working 2 jobs and to be able to afford rent ultilities and groceries for one month.

I'll state this right now. You old farts had it damned easy in the good old days.

a reply to: xstealth

So their old enough to die for their country but not old enough to have any say in how it's run??? Sounds like a crap deal to me man.

Be a real good way to force poor or non-upper class to die in battle while the elite kids get to live nice long lives though.

I think you should rethink your theory.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Krazysh0t
If people are so keen to blame an entire generation for the problems of today, wouldn't that apply more to the older generations since they're the ones who created and enabled those problems in the first place? Millennials have no geo-political power, control a miniscule portion of the economy, and have virtually no say in any government policies. We don't run the education system, the judicial system, or anything else in society. Many of us literally weren't even born during the Cold War. Yet somehow we're the ones to blame for society's screw ups?

Hey now, you stop being so damn reasonable and well-thought out with your opinions; there's no place for that in a good ol' fashioned "damned-youth-back-in-my-day-we-what-knew..." circle jerk.

LOL Sorry. Uh, I guess my generation & the ones after me could've indirectly had a hand in it. Maybe our parents and grandparents heard prophecies that we'd come along, take selfies all the time, and embrace something called "hipster-ism". So maybe that angered and stressed them out enough to make them vote for people who would outsource all of those jobs?

Yes, I'm implying the rising tuition costs and offshoring of entire industries are all part of a plan to stop my generation from being too self absorbed. If they think we're bad now, just imagine our excesses if we also had high paying jobs, cheap college, an influential role in politics, and high quality healthcare.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: yeahsurexxx
Thing is. Ppl should get a iq test to ba able to vote.
Above average can vote.

(Glances at the spelling in your post.) Hmmm, are you sure you want to make this argument?

yeah, since im not born in the US nor UK i think i get a pass since i wrote this in my third language.

More?

a reply to: xstealth

You're only saying this because you know the younger voters are rejecting Republican politics and the US public is becoming more Liberal in their thinking.

Sucks to be you, or a Republican. The party is on the rocks and about to be decimated thanks to the extremism of Trump and the Tea Party.
When even Republicans are saying they would rather vote for Hillary or Bernie than Trump or Cruz you know the party is on the verge of collapse.

Let toddlers and senile alike vote. I don't care. It's not as if your ticket does anything more than keep the circus going.

originally posted by: yeahsurexxx

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: yeahsurexxx
Thing is. Ppl should get a iq test to ba able to vote.
Above average can vote.

(Glances at the spelling in your post.) Hmmm, are you sure you want to make this argument?

yeah, since im not born in the US nor UK i think i get a pass since i wrote this in my third language.

More?

It's called irony. Also, I added the emoji as a sign that I was playing around.

a reply to: xstealth

I don't think I could support any law that restricted freedoms or rights.

I agree, this current generation couldn't storm the beaches at Normandy. They couldn't storm The Gap for a sale on skinny jeans.

But that's no reason to remove rights.

a reply to: xstealth

First I read the title.....and disagreed.... we have always voted from the age of 18. We have always weathered cycles, tides, and ebbs when it comes to voting vectors....

Then I read the first paragraph or two, and agreed.

Then, I got the part where the OP said to differentiate between voting age and the age with which one is eligible for entering the military.

And, by default, as being drafted.

Now, I thoroughly disagree with manner in which today's coddled youth are voting from a position of zero life experience and whimsical ideals. It is naivete at it's zenith.




BUT...... If you can be drafted to fight for this country, then you deserve the right to go and place your vote.

In the good old days anyone who wanted to work could find a decent job with good pay and didn't need a degree to do so. In the good old days the cost of living compared to wages earned was much different than it is now. Nowadays you have people working 2 jobs and to be able to afford rent ultilities and groceries for one month.

I'll state this right now. You old farts had it damned easy in the good old days.

Somebody had to say it.

My wife's father retired from a high level position at his regional telephone company, it paid for a very nice cabin on a nice piece of land. He bought stock and today lives on a lake and is still able to provide very well for his family. He had a 9th grade education.

I'm amused but not surprised that so many members the above generation are absolutely clueless as to the reality of our modern times. Just try getting anywhere today with a ninth grade education.

A large majority of the adult loser "college students" are socialist and communist.

Maybe that's because they see that capitalism is unsustainable, causes massive problems and is largely cronyistic (if that's a word).

And yes, a lot of seniors had it way too easy. They spend decades on retirement watching TV and only leaving the house to mow the lawn and now they want to take away all benefits from everyone else even though the world is far more competitive and expensive than it was when they were working.

I think Republicans should lose the right to vote because they lack empathy.

You could really make an argument for anyone to lose the right to vote.

Women should lose the right to vote because they belong in the kitchen, remember? And they aren't involved with everyday life.

Mexicans who are now citizens should lose the right to vote because their family immigrated from Mexico.

Muslims are too extremist to have the right to vote.

Old people are too lethargic and aren't involved in real life anymore so they should lose the right to vote.

In reality the right to vote protects everyone from laws being passed that affect them negatively. Young people between 18 and 24 are 10% of the population (at least according to another post) and they are affected by the law and therefore have the right to have a say.

Taking away their right to vote almost sounds like you want to follow it up with passing laws to give them a hard time.

originally posted by: darkbake
I think Republicans should lose the right to vote because they lack empathy.

Nothing like a broad stroke brushing of half your population to stir the pot. Politics... it's not just poo we fling anymore.

originally posted by: darkbake
I think Republicans should lose the right to vote because they lack empathy.

I just love fascist, authoritarian posts like this!

Yay freedom!