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Just got back from my caucus... My head is still spinning. Check in was slow but reasonably controlled. Super-long lines. I've never seen turnout like this.
Got my credentials, but no presidential ballot. They said those would be delivered to our caucus room. Got to my caucus room. I counted about 120 people there (no idea how many were actually registered and credentialed).
We elected Precinct Officers, State Delegates, and County Delegates - the typical incompetence and ignorance of the rules you'd expect to see from volunteers, but all went somewhat smooth.
...Then came the Presidential Ballot. Someone shows up with a stack of probably 250 ballots. The precinct chair splits them up, and starts handing stacks of them out and tells people "take one and pass it down". No checking credentials, IDs, NOTHING.
I'm sitting at the end of a row and people start handing me stacks of extras. I literally had over 50 ballots in my hand.
We were told to mark our vote and place our ballot in a tin can. They then asked for a volunteer to hold the can. At this point, most people filed out the door. I cast ONE vote, then stuck around to see what would happen with the votes.
About 15 minutes later, with only about 10 or so people milling around, someone walks in the room with an envelopes STUFFED full of "absentee" ballots - some envelopes having 2-5+ ballots.
I raised a question and said, "isn't there an absentee process already in place? Didn't people have to register for that last week?" and was told "Oh no, this is completely normal".
I was in Party leadership for 6 years and no, this is absolutely not normal. I then asked if I could observe the vote count, and I was told my observations were not needed and to leave the area while the ballots were being counted.
I left the room (things were already a complete Charlie Foxtrot at this point) and wandered over to my friends precinct caucus to see if it was just as much a cluster. His caucus was just getting to the presidential ballot, and as I walked in the door I was handed ANOTHER BALLOT.
Again, no credential check, no ID check, NOTHING. No, I didn't vote again... I went back to my precinct and they had the results: 74% Cruz 14% Trump 11% Kasich.
Now just imagine this kind of outright incompetence/manipulation happening in 2000 precincts across the state. As I left the building, I started overhearing results coming back from other precincts... Overwhelmingly numbers for Cruz... Like 70-90% or more. (In one precinct Cruz got around 100, Trump had 2, Kasich 0).
Bottom line: They basically are going to post whatever the hell numbers they want. There were no apparent controls, no credential checks, no ID checks, and ballots being handed around like napkins.
UTAH RESULTS ARE A COMPLETE SHAM And it just cost Trump 40 delegates.
originally posted by: Jefferton
*sniff*
It smells like butt-hurt Trump supporter in here.
This is a story, nothing more. It's not proof of anything.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IAMTAT
Might be a naïve question, but is there any agency that is non partisan that actually investigates voting fraud?
Or am I just being silly?
originally posted by: Grimpachi
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: IAMTAT
Might be a naïve question, but is there any agency that is non partisan that actually investigates voting fraud?
Or am I just being silly?
These are the primaries for their party. They set the rules and they are in complete charge of how it is handled.
It is a private club basically so there are no agencies that have a say in it.
originally posted by: Jefferton
*sniff*
It smells like butt-hurt Trump supporter in here.
This is a story, nothing more. It's not proof of anything.
originally posted by: 11andrew34
originally posted by: Jefferton
*sniff*
It smells like butt-hurt Trump supporter in here.
This is a story, nothing more. It's not proof of anything.
I'd be more careful about the homophobic insults if I were supporting Ted Cruz, a candidate widely believed to be in the closet by anyone with any sort of functioning gaydar.
He's the biggest fraud going in politics today. Here, read an article in Psychology Today from a neuroscientist suggesting that he's a fraud who hates everything he claims to stand for. Short version: all his expressions and microexpressions suggest disgust with himself and the positions he promotes.
Of course,Ted is the ultimate insider so he'll just sandbag conservative positions as 'controlled opposition' conservatives usually do. Make no mistake, Ted's assignment is to steal the nomination from Trump and then hand the election to Hillary.
originally posted by: IAMTAT
originally posted by: 11andrew34
originally posted by: Jefferton
*sniff*
It smells like butt-hurt Trump supporter in here.
This is a story, nothing more. It's not proof of anything.
I'd be more careful about the homophobic insults if I were supporting Ted Cruz, a candidate widely believed to be in the closet by anyone with any sort of functioning gaydar.
He's the biggest fraud going in politics today. Here, read an article in Psychology Today from a neuroscientist suggesting that he's a fraud who hates everything he claims to stand for. Short version: all his expressions and microexpressions suggest disgust with himself and the positions he promotes.
Of course,Ted is the ultimate insider so he'll just sandbag conservative positions as 'controlled opposition' conservatives usually do. Make no mistake, Ted's assignment is to steal the nomination from Trump and then hand the election to Hillary.
Wait...what? I missed something. Who has said anything "Homophobic" on this thread?
Are you trying to say Cruz is gay?...Last night I read a post by someone saying Cruz had an affair with Trump's sexy campaign spokeswoman. LOL.
Let's stick to facts here. Please...Thank you.
originally posted by: queenofswords
We all knew when we heard George Soros had his nasty ugly fingers in our election process in Utah, there would be high weirdness! And we were right!
originally posted by: IAMTAT
Wait...what? I missed something. Who has said anything "Homophobic" on this thread?
Are you trying to say Cruz is gay?...Last night I read a post by someone saying Cruz had an affair with Trump's sexy campaign spokeswoman. LOL.
Let's stick to facts here. Please...Thank you.
“In Arizona last night they just arbitrarily reduced the polling places,” Reid said. “There could be some litigation in that regard. The Arizona race showed me how desperate the Republicans are to do anything they can to suppress turnout.”