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A more left wing or centrist ATS anyone??

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posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 04:50 PM
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Theres a bunch of right wing poster that go around threads and do the circle jerk star and flag.

The same that said obama would destroy america with ebola.

Just stay away from those threads, they bring nothing but a headache.
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posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
What is a leftist anyway. Never really heard the term until I came to ATS, now I see the term used as a slur in comments sections of uk newspapers. Same applies with progressive. Never heard this term used before and I stdied sociology at school, which was quite a left wing course at the time. Never came across these left wing slurs. I understand Marxist, anarchist, communist, socialist and feminist. The rest is all new to me, since being on ATS. Progressive and liberal seem to be more associated with the American left. So half the time when people use the word leftist on here, I'm never quite sure what they mean or where they are drawing the line.


I think leftist is a rude word that is used when somebody does not agree with your right wing viewpoint from what I understand.


A little like left wing looney or that "eveyone I don't like is hitler" thing that right wing bigots seem to think makes them less agressive and somehow nullifies there right wing arrogant viewpoint.


Well as a Leftist, I'm not offended if it helps... lol



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
What is a leftist anyway. Never really heard the term until I came to ATS, now I see the term used as a slur in comments sections of uk newspapers. Same applies with progressive. Never heard this term used before and I stdied sociology at school, which was quite a left wing course at the time. Never came across these left wing slurs. I understand Marxist, anarchist, communist, socialist and feminist. The rest is all new to me, since being on ATS. Progressive and liberal seem to be more associated with the American left. So half the time when people use the word leftist on here, I'm never quite sure what they mean or where they are drawing the line.


I think leftist is a rude word that is used when somebody does not agree with your right wing viewpoint from what I understand.


A little like left wing looney or that "eveyone I don't like is hitler" thing that right wing bigots seem to think makes them less agressive and somehow nullifies there right wing arrogant viewpoint.


Well as a Leftist, I'm not offended if it helps... lol


I am not offended either.

It seems to me that the right seem to simply assume that they have the moral high ground and get all pissy when someone disagree's with them and start getting all agitated and starts to call people names.

I will say that the far left are little better but stand by my statements.

The right are looking after themselves and those very similar to them, also anyone they feel may further their own gains.

Those that lean towards the left tend to want a fair deal for everyone and that does not fit with the right wing attitude.

They work hard for a living remember, they think they have a choice as to how "their taxes are spent".

Aside from the truly rich and elite the right wing are suffering from delusions of grandeur as they have been sold the lie that they are special because it suits the needs of those proffering the lies.

They dislike you saying this however as it reminds them of the fact that they are in fact living in a dream world created by lies and self imparted importance.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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They said Obama was a narcissist
They said Obama was a Community organizer that shouldn't be in the White house
They said Obama's ego was too big


Now the same right wingers are cheerleading for a narcissist reality tv actor with a big ego.

Horseshoe theory?

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posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

Oh, I never said you didn't have any right to lean left.

I stick with George Patton on this one. To paraphrase - If everyone thinks the same, someone isn't thinking.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

No, it's not. When I say "you people" I do it in response to an argument or position I have seen multiple times. That was what I said.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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I very much agree with OP.

There's a really fascinating concept called the Overton Window, which I find really helpful for understanding what's going on with society.


The Overton window, also known as the window of discourse, is the range of ideas the public will accept. It is used by media pundits.[1][2] The term is derived from its originator, Joseph P. Overton (1960–2003),[3] a former vice president of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy,[4] who in his description of his window claimed that an idea's political viability depends mainly on whether it falls within the window, rather than on politicians' individual preferences.[5] According to Overton's description, his window includes a range of policies considered politically acceptable in the current climate of public opinion, which a politician can recommend without being considered too extreme to gain or keep public office.


And I think what's happened is the Overton Window has been shifted really really far to the extreme right, which is why we now see even mainstream politicians saying really incredibly racist and violent things. Because it's become acceptable.

Not sure what the answer is either. But the window of acceptable discourse really needs to be back on central ground sometime soon. Before we all start electing Fascists to office.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I remember when I started here, there were a spate of anti-Israel threads that devolved pretty quickly into anti-semitic stuff. I simply avoided them for the most part. We still get a lot of anti-Israel threads, but the anti-semitic stuff is gone. I appreciate that.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: nonspecific

We use leftist only like you guys use right-winger. Be fair.

If we're not to refer to you as leftist, then should you really be calling us right-wingers? Or is it OK for you call us names but we should respect you?



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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I am not offended either.

It seems to me that the left seem to simply assume that they have the moral high ground and get all pissy when someone disagree's with them and start getting all agitated and starts to call people names.

I will say that the far right are little better but stand by my statements.

The left are looking after themselves and those very similar to them, also anyone they feel may further their own gains.

Those that lean towards the right tend to want a fair deal for everyone and that does not fit with the left wing attitude.

They work hard for a living remember, they think they have a choice as to how "their taxes are spent".

Aside from the truly rich and elite the left wing are suffering from delusions of grandeur as they have been sold the lie that they are special because it suits the needs of those proffering the lies.

They dislike you saying this however as it reminds them of the fact that they are in fact living in a dream world created by lies and self imparted importance.


Forgive me, but I edited your words to put them in a mirror and show you just how well they mirror. What you think of us, we also think of you. Maybe, we're not all that different if you would stop and think about it.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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To the OP:

Really what you need is to find yourself some echo chamber sites to peruse so that the fatigue of constantly seeing ideas that disagree with yours doesn't wear on you.

Right now, I'm actually on a sort of hiatus, playing video games, enjoying myself and reading some blogs and making some posts on here. Today is actually the highest my activity level has been here for some time recently.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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The Centrists are here. We just get shouted down by the rabid "enter names here" going after each other and aren't bothered to add credible info into a cacophony.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 11:52 PM
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What a pathetic thread topic. WHAAAA, we don't talk enough like ME!

You made one good point in your sad soapbox skit, and that was this site is starting to lean more right.

Deal with it or leave. No one is making you stay here.

If you had the SLIGHTEST insight into your own words you'd realize just how #ing, absolutely goddamm, amazingly you think just like a right-winger.

Let's break it down.

1) Right-wingers "want to ban all brown people" (your words)
2) Right-wingers want to "put up a wall"

Now here's you...

1) I don't like American viewpoints
2) Let's segregate into more regional areas on the site and put up more walls


Jesus H, you sound like a right-winger if you change out the nouns.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

This is not a matter of political correctness or lack thereof anymore.

People have twisted the terminology and made a bogeyman out of it, to the extent where a persons genuinely held beliefs about how to treat others, can now be called any damn thing except good manners and decency. These concepts also are considered weaknesses by some, when they are, in fact, strengths.

The reality here is that it is easy to hate, it is easy to generalise, it makes things simpler, erodes nuance, destroys precision, does away with accuracy and fairness, and replaces these things with the dull throb of a barely repressed kill boner.

That being said, this website should not have a controlled political bias, or focus. It should be free form, reliant on the members individual attitudes and beliefs for its political identity, by way of the information being posted, and the responses to it. I hold my beliefs, others hold theirs, and this resulting collection of opinions, information and musing that we all contribute to stands as testament to how we are progressing, or not as the case may be.

My attitude to these things, is that one can have any opinion one likes, and hold any political position which suits one. Merely having an opinion though, does not validate ones behaviour, and having a political viewpoint does not legitimise ones opinions, if those opinions happen to be toxic, hateful, xenophobic, or familiar to anyone who has ever studied the history and politics of 1930s Germany.

It must also be said, for the sake of balance and nuance, that it is not a given that those who have a right wing mindset, automatically have an extremist right wing mind set. There are, in fact, plenty of members on this site who are not knuckle dragging halfwits, but do hold right wing opinions on some key elements of civic organisation, finance, and the like. These people are not haters, they are just people, and it is important to remember this always. Some of the most respected, polite, and decent persons on this site fall into such a category.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Tempter




Deal with it or leave. No one is making you stay here.


That is the point of this thread I am asking members if they know of a alternative site that has not been taken over by right wing politics that I do not care about.

I am not looking for some kind of echo chamber just a little more intellectual and educational debate



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 06:50 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Tempter




Deal with it or leave. No one is making you stay here.


That is the point of this thread I am asking members if they know of a alternative site that has not been taken over by right wing politics that I do not care about.

I am not looking for some kind of echo chamber just a little more intellectual and educational debate


As I said before the shouting started I think that the shift is universal at the moment.

I would like to participate in more discussions but cannot deal with the extreme right wing views of many people and end up getting drawn into circular arguments.

The current world situation is allowing people to vocalise their prejudice and justify it in a way that would have not been socially acceptable a few years ago.



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: nonspecific
Yes you did take it from us and look what you did to it!

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As to the US you can keep it now that you have broken it.




I'd love an elaboration on that comment, but I'm unsure that this is not the proper forum for it. But, coming from someone living under a "constitutional monarchy" that still taxes its citizens to pay for a relatively defunct royal family, the comment seems rather silly.

But we both know that there are absurd things about both of our countries, so let's not start comparing whose flag pole is bigger--it's ridiculous, as we both know that there are numerous things that we each could list that we feel makes our country better, and the other would consider it making it worse.

It's all about perspective.


As I said before UK and US politics are very different as are our cultures and as much as we may think the same we are very different cultures.


Yes, I lived in Europe for 3.5 years (Germany, not UK), so I fully understand the different cultures that exist over there, in relatively close proximity with one another (we have that here, too).

But, back on topic--nothing that you said negates the fact that you can just ignore the threads that you don't want to read. The owners of the site, promised or not, should not have to feel obligated to create a UK forum to shield you from US topics...but since they said they would, I guess they should.

Cheers!



posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: nonspecific
Yes you did take it from us and look what you did to it!

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As to the US you can keep it now that you have broken it.




I'd love an elaboration on that comment, but I'm unsure that this is not the proper forum for it. But, coming from someone living under a "constitutional monarchy" that still taxes its citizens to pay for a relatively defunct royal family, the comment seems rather silly.

But we both know that there are absurd things about both of our countries, so let's not start comparing whose flag pole is bigger--it's ridiculous, as we both know that there are numerous things that we each could list that we feel makes our country better, and the other would consider it making it worse.

It's all about perspective.


As I said before UK and US politics are very different as are our cultures and as much as we may think the same we are very different cultures.


Yes, I lived in Europe for 3.5 years (Germany, not UK), so I fully understand the different cultures that exist over there, in relatively close proximity with one another (we have that here, too).

But, back on topic--nothing that you said negates the fact that you can just ignore the threads that you don't want to read. The owners of the site, promised or not, should not have to feel obligated to create a UK forum to shield you from US topics...but since they said they would, I guess they should.

Cheers!


My comments regarding the US were intended to be taken in jest, as you say there are inerrant issues within both systems and cultures.

As to the OP's issues I mentioned above that I sympathise somewhat as I think that here in the UK are concept of free speech is slightly different than in the US as was seen with the ban Trump from the UK under hate speech issue.

As I said earlier in the thread there are certain topics I would love to discuss but am unable to do so as the freedom of speech regarding hate towards whole religions, races and gender types goes beyond what I personally feel is acceptable. I am not saying that the site should be censored as such but when you have people talking about dropping nukes on the entire middle east as a way to solve the current situation or talking about burning Koran's or throwing bacon at Muslims then I have to step aside from what could be an interesting and enlightening debate.






posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 08:55 AM
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Only last week I thought I would start a thread about something or other and knew it would just get trashed rather than a discussion, as it was on a state to support people having a decent living side of things, and just knew that for most people on here it would not wash. So I didn't bother.




posted on Mar, 23 2016 @ 09:01 AM
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It's an interesting topic isn't it? Naturally, i am a Conservative (albeit a very liberal one - hence the coalition made me very happy!).

That said, i am somewhat ashamed to own up to that when participating in some threads on ATS.

I am not going to name names or point the finger at any individuals because we can frankly all come across as slightly moronic at times (even members i respect). Having a bad day, feeling under the waether, etc can all influence how we post and come across. I am as guilty of this as the next person. But..........

in general, ATS certainly does seem to be coming more extreme over the past year, at least from a European perspective. I don't really know the reasons for this but it is worrying. Maybe i am just an old hippy at heart (blue, obviously!) but, to quote the Black Eyes Peas, "Where is the love?" It seems to be in short supply nowadays........



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