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originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
So again I ask you, how many refugees is the UK taking in? Or the US?
God you are annoying with your ideological drivel.
And how many times do you need to told that the majpority of these refugees are treasure seekers who are not even fleeing from war.
Of course, much is made of the American arrival in the war, and it certainly turned a tide. However, let's face it, America would have left Europe to it if it had not have been for the Japanese launching a raid on Pearl Harbour. Let's be realistic here, the government of America at that point, was no less mercenary or morally defunct than it has been for the last thirty years.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: gator2001
My thought was how easy it is for the bad apples to act out and assault because they know there are no guns.
Yeah. Guns make it so much better. The more the better.
No where near enough. Given how much of our tax payers money was spent creating these circumstances, it would be wise, if we want a future worth living in, to take responsibility for those who have been displaced by wars we paid for
I would imagine it must be very annoying, when someone expresses a nuanced, broad, geopolitically aware point of view, when all one can muster oneself is a blinkered, narrow, self interested approach. It is never pleasant to have ones failings and character flaws so utterly illuminated by the presence in ones midst of someone who is not part of the problem, but an element of its solution. I suggest you learn to deal with it, because I am not going away.
At least as many times as I have to explain that the only people who believe that drivel, believe it because it fits their bias, and not because it happens to be accurate.
The comments about the reality of economic migrants were made by Frans Timmermans, the European Commission’s First Vice-President, in an interview with the Dutch Broadcast Foundation (NOS). He said that far from fleeing warzones, migrants to Europe are mostly North Africans leaving their homeland for economic reasons, adding: “More than half of the people now coming to Europe come from countries where you can assume they have no reason whatsoever to ask for refugee status. More than half, 60 per cent.”
Basing his claim on the on the latest, as yet unpublished, data from Frontex — the European security agency which manages cooperation between national border guards securing the bloc’s external borders — Commissioner Timmermans said they are mainly economic migrants from countries such as Morocco and Tunisia, attempting to reach Europe via via Turkey.
My nation may be failing to fulfil its responsibilities, but it is doing so for one main reason. There are too many people in this nation, who for some reason believe that it is fine to fail to take responsibility for their failure to elect decent leaders, that it is ok to screw an entire region over, and suffer no consequences what so ever, that what their leaders do is not a problem, as long as it is someone else's problem. There is not enough public and vocal support for a proper, concerted, targeted effort to relieve the genuine suffering of people displaced as a direct result of our foreign affairs policies.
Nigel Farage today spoke out against Tony Blair's comments on the present situation in Iraq and Syria. The UKIP leader said: "In almost every country in which the West has intervened or even implied support for regime change, the situation has been made worse and not better. "This is true of Libya, Syria and of course Iraq. Tony Blair's state of outright denial of the obvious consequences of his disastrous decision-making on Iraq is making increasingly uncomfortable viewing. "There was no place in Iraq for Al Qaeda or its affiliates under the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein. Yet now the country is over-run by Islamists who are also making advances in Syria and the whole region is sliding towards a full-scale Sunni versus Shia conflict. "The lesson is not, as Mr Blair implies, that the West should intervene in Syria, let alone once more in Iraq. The lesson is that the West should declare an end to the era of military intervention abroad.
Today, I’m calling for a proactive, long term, international solution in Syria, to tackle Islamic State (IS) head on, not a short term sticking plaster. For the past five years Syria has cropped up on the political agenda time and time again, but every time it does, it just seems to drop away without any real solution to the war and crisis being agreed upon.
For a start, Farages interest in the Middle East has nothing to do with doing the right thing.