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originally posted by: RadioRobert
originally posted by: 0zzymand0s I am going to try to stuff any preconceived notions I may have and see what I can come up with.
Well, good luck. There aren't any easy answers; I'm not claiming to have it all figured out. I just think some answers seem more foolhardy than others.
Scores of people remain in intensive care following suicide Tuesday's bomb attacks in Brussels that left 31 people dead, Belgium's health minister says.
originally posted by: JustMike
a reply to: draoicht
I said they (meaning its members) "normally claimed to be Catholics"
I cited the IRA purely as an example.
originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
What I found, not surprisingly, is that there ARE in fact "sensitive urban zones" in France for example, but that the designation doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a majority Muslim population, sharia law, or terrorism. Many are simply bad neighborhoods with various problems that have been designated for urban renewal of some kind. Fair enough, as we have plenty of those here in the states as well.
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I can only imagine what such an area would look like with both language and religious barriers in place to complicate dialog and understanding.
The notion that one is still willing to see their neighbors as so utterly "other" that they would explode bombs and terrorize them as they travelled, even after living in proximity to them for so long is alien to me.
I am more certain than ever that we will likely need a carrot AND stick approach (job training, language classes, interfaith outreach AND increased investigation, arrests and deportation or jail for anyone inciting violence, manufacturing weapons and so on).
originally posted by: pompel9
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: pompel9
originally posted by: daaskapital
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: anxiouswens
I dont want innocent muslims punished for this. [/post]
Why do we never hear, "I don't want the innocent gun owners punished", or "I don't want the innocent white people punished", or "I don't want innocent Christians punished", or "I don't want the innocent Republicans/conservatives punished"?
I think it's because those demographics aren't collectively derided for attacks. Islam is often blamed as a whole for these atrocities, but the same standard isn't applied to other demographics like Christians. For example, people flip their # at Islam for terrorist attacks, but no one had a go at Christianity for the actions of Anders Behring Breivik or the many Christian militias in Africa. Interestingly enough, while ISIS and Breivik cite religious influences, their actions are primarily motivated by politics. ISIS wants a caliphate, Breivik wanted to stop the 'invasion of Europe' and left-leaning politics.
Breivik is not and has never been Christian. I suggest you read the manifesto he wrote. His attacks were because of politics, not religion.
The same manifesto where he referred to himself as being "100 percent Christian?" Anders Behring Breivik also referred to himself as a modern-day Crusader and claimed membership of a renewed Templar Order. Hell, the front page of his manifesto was emblazoned with a Templar cross...
You can try and spin the facts all you want, but the guy clearly had influences from Christianity, even though he currently identifies with Odinism.
Breivik isn't what many would consider a Christian, just like how Muslims wouldn't necessarily consider ISIS representative of their religion. That's exactly the point. The guy's actions were politically motivated, despite his religious ramblings. The same can be said for the actions of many extreme Muslims. That's what i said in my initial comment:
Interestingly enough, while ISIS and Breivik cite religious influences, their actions are primarily motivated by politics. ISIS wants a caliphate, Breivik wanted to stop the 'invasion of Europe' and left-leaning politics.
Perhaps you should have made a proper attempt at reading my post before commenting, yourself.
I am just so sick and tired of hearing lies about what happened here in Norway. He did call himself Christian, yes. Has he ever gone to church or been in any other Christian organization, no he has not. The only organization he has ever been a part of briefly is a political party.
He used the templar cross, since he thought it was cool. Not because he was Christian, since he never has been Christian.
Actually now he is Nazi.
originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: Azureblue
So it is not to hard to see who really profits and who is losing the game, it´s not too hard to imagine why terror acts happen, why the "security" agencies are every time so uncoordinated, have too less powers, make too much "mistakes", work almost like blind idiots, while you, as a normal citizen, only have to "steal an apple from the wrong tree" and the police will catch you in minutes.
They need terror acts to continue their repressive mass surveillance policy, to grow their surveillance and police state/world. Not hard to imagine then, that they are the puppetmasters who pull the strings!
originally posted by: skywatcher44
I have just posted this link on another thread but it is of relevance here also..
Belgium is a country known for its beer, chocolate, picturesque towns, art - and grey diplomats heading to the EU. It was even once named among the most boring places on earth. But the north European nation was forced into the international spotlight on Tuesday by devastating terror attacks, later claimed by the Islamic State group. Two explosions at Brussels airport and another at a metro station left at least 31 people dead and 250 wounded. So why has Belgium been targeted and why is it being branded "Europe's jihadi HQ"?
www.bbc.co.uk...( What is it with Belgium and jihadis? )
originally posted by: EA006
originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: ANNED
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: ufoorbhunter
The other begging question is where they got that much explosive in Brussels, without the local army base noticing any was missing…
The explosives are easy they made them from locally acquired over the counter products.
I could go to any US Walmart superstore and get the chemicals to build a large bomb.
I will not name the three products needed for making the explosive but they are easy to buy in most US towns.
They are also 100% stable to mix and use and make a great homemade plastic explosive.
Except for initiating a hi order detonation… is not that 'easy'.
It really is that easy. Unfortunately the internet has many guides.
I mean enhanced clever security, those explosives in bags within the airport should have been picked up.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: skywatcher44
I mean enhanced clever security, those explosives in bags within the airport should have been picked up.
Look dinkums, I don't care how tight security is, given enough time a way can be found to penetrate it. As an example the tightest security in the world at the time didn't prevent a bomb from getting into Hitler's bunker 'holy of holies', did it.
Did it…
Also remind you that Brussels in particular is already the most secure city, being the head of the EU and headquarters to NATO, heavily armed military police stationed in abundance, and armor cars at every strategic location. You want to prevent this from occurring (you didn't, see?), take the hand wringing twenty twenty hindsight and shove it.
Stop bombing middle eastern countries…
originally posted by: intergalactic fire
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: skywatcher44
I mean enhanced clever security, those explosives in bags within the airport should have been picked up.
Look dinkums, I don't care how tight security is, given enough time a way can be found to penetrate it. As an example the tightest security in the world at the time didn't prevent a bomb from getting into Hitler's bunker 'holy of holies', did it.
Did it…
Also remind you that Brussels in particular is already the most secure city, being the head of the EU and headquarters to NATO, heavily armed military police stationed in abundance, and armor cars at every strategic location. You want to prevent this from occurring (you didn't, see?), take the hand wringing twenty twenty hindsight and shove it.
Stop bombing middle eastern countries…
Belgium or Brussels in particular a secure city? You are making me laugh
originally posted by: intergalactic fire
a reply to: intrptr
Better let them drown, close all borders and bomb their homes.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: skywatcher44
I mean enhanced clever security, those explosives in bags within the airport should have been picked up.
Look dinkums, I don't care how tight security is, given enough time a way can be found to penetrate it. As an example the tightest security in the world at the time didn't prevent a bomb from getting into Hitler's bunker 'holy of holies', did it.
Did it…
Also remind you that Brussels in particular is already the most secure city, being the head of the EU and headquarters to NATO, heavily armed military police stationed in abundance, and armor cars at every strategic location. You want to prevent this from occurring (you didn't, see?), take the hand wringing twenty twenty hindsight and shove it.
Stop bombing middle eastern countries…