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Why do people in California complain about chemtrails more than others?

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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Lived in SO Cal 18 years, When I first heard about Chemtrails I started paying attention to the trails above. In my casual observations of about 3 years wet weather occurred 1-3 days prior to frequent occurrence of trails. Some time it would be heavy rain or it just light misty stuff. At one point the corollation was so consistent I almost started documenting it, But I don't believe that chemicals are in the trails. I think it has to do with the atmosphere transitioning from dry to wet weather.

I think the climate is perfect for trails in CA as their is big bank of moisture called the marine layer that moves in and out during the year. For instance if you visit San Diego in June, July you might see what they call June gloom a heave locked in marine layer that will ruin your day at the beach.

On the conspiracy side of things, If one is trying to modify weather, CA would be the place to start, as weather patterns move across the Sierras and into the plains. If they can position and hold a high pressure system over SO Cal then they could navigate the jet stream

Edit: lnfo and links to June Gloom Wiki

June Gloom in southern California is caused by the marine layer effect common to the West Coast,[2] and is enhanced by the Catalina eddy local to southern California. May and June together are usually the cloudiest months in coastal Southern California.


More info about Marine Layer: Wiki

A marine layer is an air mass which develops over the surface of a large body of water such as the ocean or large lake in the presence of a temperature inversion. The inversion itself is usually initiated by the cooling effect of the water on the surface layer of an otherwise warm air mass.


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: GoShredAK
Observing the skies of Ventura California had me a full blown chemtrail believer.

The sky was saturated with contrails. Some of them made u-turns, others just looked plain weird the way they persisted for so long.

I've been to a few different states over the past few years and SoCal was the contrail Mecca for sure.

Just my 2cents.



You mean ice crystals im the air persisted??? Like clouds do? WTF??

And are you telling me that very thin strips of them twisted and turned and were looking weird as they were churned by high altitude winds? ???? OMG!

And I have never ever heard of such a thing as planes turning back and holding patterns....you are right.

I'm a chemtrail believer now too! It all makes sense.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: network dude

The title of your thread doen't ask for info proving there are more trails in Ca. It says more people in CA complain about them. My post shows many people who complain are not in Ca.
Perhaps you should have chosen a different title.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

There isn't ice crystal lingering in the chemtrails that remain up there for hours. If you mean chemical as pollution, I agree.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: intrptr

There isn't ice crystal lingering in the chemtrails that remain up there for hours. If you mean chemical as pollution, I agree.


You have zero idea of what you are talking about. As usual. Please pick up a science text book. Just the once .



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: NewzNose

I apologize if the thread title was misleading. I feel as if it has yielded some great results for me.

ETA: I am aware the "chemtrails" are a world wide phenomenon. I just wondered if there was a reason more people in CA seemed to be more vocal about trails. Either there are more trails, or more people who think differently, but I'd like to try to find a logical conclusion to this.
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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Observationalist

Thank you so much. This is exactly what I was looking for. A reason to attribute this with. (if there was something there at all, which it appears there is)

I will look into the June Gloom a bit more.

I grew up in Cleveland, and have a little experience with the "lake effect" which is what we called the "marine layer" I think.
I just never noticed an abnormal amount of trails up there. But then, perhaps I was preoccupied with other things, being a teenager and all.

Thanks again!



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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I hate to even do this, but could we table the usual "chemtrail" talk for another thread? I am interested in learning a bit more about the Southern California trails, and those who spend time "looking up" are the best equipped to answer this. I promise I am still the guy who doesn't believe in chemtrails, but having an antagonistic type thread will only devolve into the usual.

Sorry if this sounds rude. It was not my intent.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:40 PM
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Sure thing.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

thanks much!



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Glad I could help.

One thing I wondered as I observed the trails above. We only can document when planes make trails we can't document when planes don't make trails. Atmospheric conditions could be the reason we see trails on one day and not some on others. The planes are up there but we can't tell because they don't make trails.

If there is optimal conditions for persistent contrails it could be possible that if there is an agency in charge of controlling the weather, they would take advantage of the conditions and send up planes to make clouds.




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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: network dude


If there is optimal conditions for persistent contrails it could be possible that if there is an agency in charge of controlling the weather, they would take advantage of the conditions and send up planes to make clouds.





Well, there are optimal conditions for contrails. The question is, are they more prevalent in California...



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

My previous post at the top of the page show why I think California has optimal conditions for making trails, due to its marine layer.

Info on Inversion Layers: Wiki

This type of inversion occurs in the vicinity of warm fronts, and also in areas of oceanic upwelling such as along the California coast in the United States. W



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: Observationalist
a reply to: 3danimator2014

My previous post at the top of the page show why I think California has optimal conditions for making trails, due to its marine layer.

Info on Inversion Layers: Wiki

This type of inversion occurs in the vicinity of warm fronts, and also in areas of oceanic upwelling such as along the California coast in the United States. W


Oops, sorry mate, i seem to have missed your post.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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a reply to: network dude


Do you notice frontal systems after a lot of trails, or are the trails just there all the time and weather does it's thing?

I don't notice any correlation between trails and weather. I do notice the reduction in sunlight. I also note over my life time the valley floor is paved over, soaks up the suns heat and prevents weather systems from dropping rain. Unless its a strong system, then it bowls us over, like today. It poured good for a bit today.

The ocean fronts roll in regardless of the manmade weather.

I will say in the past there were rumors that during drought they would spray silver iodide into the clouds to make it rain…
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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: NewzNose
a reply to: intrptr

There isn't ice crystal lingering in the chemtrails that remain up there for hours. If you mean chemical as pollution, I agree.


Pretty sure, above thirty thousand feet its below freezing, any apparent clouds in the stratosphere are made up of ice crystals.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: network dude



Why do people in California complain about chemtrails more than others?


Different weather?




posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Observing the skies of Ventura California had me a full blown chemtrail believer.

The sky was saturated with contrails. Some of them made u-turns, others just looked plain weird the way they persisted for so long.

I've been to a few different states over the past few years and SoCal was the contrail Mecca for sure.

Just my 2cents.



You mean ice crystals im the air persisted??? Like clouds do? WTF??

And are you telling me that very thin strips of them twisted and turned and were looking weird as they were churned by high altitude winds? ???? OMG!

And I have never ever heard of such a thing as planes turning back and holding patterns....you are right.

I'm a chemtrail believer now too! It all makes sense.



I wish I was as cool as you.

Dude I was just being honest about how I felt at the time.

So sorry I wasn't a meteorologist!

I eventually figured out I was wrong.

Why are you getting so worked up and tripping out on me?

That was lame.

Eta: also your assumption about twists and turns is wrong. I said a u-turn, as in the flight deviated. The jet made a full 180. I wasn't referring to the way the trails twist in the wind.

Please forgive me for participating in the thread oh great one.
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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: GoShredAK

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Observing the skies of Ventura California had me a full blown chemtrail believer.

The sky was saturated with contrails. Some of them made u-turns, others just looked plain weird the way they persisted for so long.

I've been to a few different states over the past few years and SoCal was the contrail Mecca for sure.

Just my 2cents.



You mean ice crystals im the air persisted??? Like clouds do? WTF??

And are you telling me that very thin strips of them twisted and turned and were looking weird as they were churned by high altitude winds? ???? OMG!

And I have never ever heard of such a thing as planes turning back and holding patterns....you are right.

I'm a chemtrail believer now too! It all makes sense.



I wish I was as cool as you.

Dude I was just being honest about how I felt at the time.

So sorry I wasn't a meteorologist!

I eventually figured out I was wrong.

Why are you getting so worked up and tripping out on me?

That was lame.

Eta: also your assumption about twists and turns is wrong. I said a u-turn, as in the flight deviated. The jet made a full 180. I wasn't referring to the way the trails twist in the wind.

Please forgive me for participating in the thread oh great one.


I was just messing around mate. But you have to realise just how many times we have seen those things you said in this sub forum. Please keep participating! This sub forum is dead these days



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr


I will say in the past there were rumors that during drought they would spray silver iodide into the clouds to make it rain…


actually, that was just confirmed last week. It's been going on for a few years now.
www.latimes.com...




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