Atlantis and beyond...real post

Good day!.

So I love the idea of Atlantis, a group of humans who had advanced technology, and then disappeared.

It has caused me to wonder, in every legened and myth, there is a kernel of truth or history. Also, every known culture has its version of a great flood.

That being said, are there other legends similar to Atlantis? What are the similarities? And why do we not teach these stories in school?

Thanks!

originally posted by: theatreboy
Good day!.

So I love the idea of Atlantis, a group of humans who had advanced technology, and then disappeared.

It has caused me to wonder, in every legened and myth, there is a kernel of truth or history. Also, every known culture has its version of a great flood.

That being said, are there other legends similar to Atlantis? What are the similarities? And why do we not teach these stories in school?

Thanks!

Well there is no doubt that at the end of the ice age sea levels rose considerably. IF there were any settlements on the coast or river deltas (very typical) then they would have flooded and now be 120m under water. Any survivors would tell their offspring of a great flood that engulfed the world. So the question is : is there any signs of civilisation 14,000 years ago. If there is I suspect that the vast majority of it is 120m below sea level! As far as I know there is no evidence of such civilisation but a tale of a flood would survive by word of mouth amongst nomadic people worldwide.

a reply to: theatreboy

Well there is always stories of ancestral migrations or the people that came before. Avalon might be one, off course Lemuria,
Aztlan, Ophir etc,

a reply to: Spider879

RE: aztlan....i've always wondered if the mythical home of the aztecs wasn't destroyed first by earthquake (the mound builders/missisipians) then by some celestial event like a meteor.

I'd have to dig, but Ive seen connections of possibly being aztecs arising out of the mound builders by way of arizona.

Its when we see vids like this and ask the good questions .Yes ,good questions . Its when we limit our questions to the modern day narratives we restrict ourselves and put history in a box .

First of all I would like to mention that I am also a lover of the Atlantis story, unfortunately due to studying ancient history and classical archaeology at Uni, I studied Plato's Critias and Timaeus, and as much as I wish to him actually talking about a real place I do not think he was. I feel like it was a story told for a political gain at the time, which is why it is included that the athenians are included in the story that they where the only army to hold off and beat this advanced civilization in warfare. Now there are a couple points here that I need to bring to your attention Criteas was written in 360 BC now that is an estimate date I would like to say that it was more probably around the time the Athens was at war with Sparta and I believe this because hearing a story where you defeat the army that no one else could would spur any man on to do his ancestors proud. Now it is almost similar Sparta and Atlantis as In Spartan's were great fighters probably classed as unbeatable by many men back then, so I feel a political aim was used by the story of Atlantis to give courage to the warriors. Now I am actually doing my final dissertation on Atlantis, and would like to hear alternative thoughts etc on the matter

a reply to: theatreboy

Guten Morgen-

There is Mu. www.examiner.com...

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Now to take Your thought just a tad further to advance the conversation and just 1 gripe. We will handle the gripe first and end on a positive note.

Gripe: Aren't ALL posts real, semantics aside?

Okay, back to Atlantis. Did You know humanity knows more about the Moon than We do about the Oceans and Seas? Sure We are all made up of 'stardust' but are about 75% water- averaging the 70% below the neck and 80% above it w/out allowance for those w/the occasional 'water on the brain' diagnosis, yet here We are.

Atlantis is right over there ---------------------------> But I'm in Central Flori-Duh so it is close.

Mother Earth is an 'Etch-A-Sketch' and ever so often She takes a shake (re-boots) and Her poles shift. What was land last time is now under water and versa-visa..

* Fun Exam * - Check Your 'newspaper horoscope' and then find an 'Ayurvedic Astrology' reading (FREE) You'll need to also know the 'time' of Your birth. These go back a long, long time. i.e. In the newspaper I am a "Gemini" but in Ayurveda I am a "Taurus". Pole shifts.

namaste

a reply to: theatreboy

I'd say Lemuria is the most similar legendary Super-Ancient, advanced civilization. Island continent in the Pacific which eventually sank.

What's interesting about the sunken continent stories is that the sudden sinking of a continent is actually plausible. If a massive chain of connected gas chambers underneath the continent, in the Earth's crust were to collapse in a domino effect, the crust beneath the continent could feasibly give way. There's no evidence of this ever happening on such a scale, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility. No greedy mistakes with harmonic crystals needed.

a reply to: theatreboy

Lemuria and Mu....two sunken civilizations just like Atlantis.

One in the Indian Ocean, the other in the Pacific. Both disappeared beneath the sea....

a reply to: dogstar23

With the fossil records on the top of these great mountain ranges being the ocean floors at one time ,its easy to imagine the great forces that could cause very large chunks of land sliding into the waters .Its all a real fiction in our modern day minds .

originally posted by: theatreboy
Good day!.

So I love the idea of Atlantis, a group of humans who had advanced technology, and then disappeared.

It has caused me to wonder, in every legened and myth, there is a kernel of truth or history. Also, every known culture has its version of a great flood.

That being said, are there other legends similar to Atlantis? What are the similarities? And why do we not teach these stories in school?

Thanks!

According to Plato, the only ancient source for Atlantis, they didn't have any "advanced technology" at all. The description of their technology was standard Bronze Age stuff.

To the others:

The Aztecs left Aztlan for political and/or religious reasons (depending on which story you're reading) according to their own stories, and Aztlan was North of Mexico, most likely in what is today New Mexico or Arizona - possibly California.

Since the Mexica (Aztecs) moved into the Valley of Mexico around 1300 AD, it's pretty much a non-starter to suggest Aztlan was Atlantis.

People need fresh water to live, hence no civilization is likely to have existed solely on the coast. Also, given the fact that Ice Age melt raised the sea levels VERY gradually (unless you view it in geological time,) I think it's pretty clear that no "Lost Civilization" remains "lost" because it's under 120 m of ocean today.

Lemuria is a term invented by scientists trying to explain the presence of lemur fossils on the mainland of Asia, when lemurs are known to live only on Madagascar. The land bridge they theorized was called Lemuria (for obvious reasons.)
Helena Blavatsky, a well-known fraudulent medium, jumped on Lemuria with both feet, making all kinds of claims about it being the source of the "third root race" of humans. Unfortunately for her, it was later found that there was no need for this hypothesized land bridge because plate tectonics was proven and fully explained the lemur fossils that had puzzled earlier scientists. Blavatsky is the source for everyone claiming that Lemuria was some kind of lost civilization.

There is no reason whatsoever to believe Atlantis ever existed. And there are no ancient myths from any culture that describe such a place.

Harte

Mother Earth is an 'Etch-A-Sketch' and ever so often She takes a shake (re-boots) and Her poles shift. What was land last time is now under water and versa-visa..

Geology doesn't work like that, I'm afraid. The pole shifts are simply magnetic shifts and don't affect the land. And continents do rise and sink, but rather slowly (millions of years)

There are stories of great ages of men that lived before our current age, all these civilizations suffered utter and total destruction due to cataclysms of different kinds; by flood, fire, and Wars. Contradictionary to current stories where these civilizations were mere islands, I've heard that the age before ours was called Atlantis, and the age before that there was Lemuria (edit) or Mu, and the age before that was called (edit)Hyperborean.

The Rig Veda, the oldest of all the known ancient records, may be shown to corroborate the occult teachings in almost every respect. Its hymns -- the records written by the earliest Initiates of the Fifth (our race) concerning the primordial teachings -- speak of the Seven Races (two still to come) allegorising them by the "seven streams" (1, 35, 8); and of the Five Races ("panca krishtayah") which have already inhabited this world (ibid) on the five regions "panca pradicah" (IX, 86, 29), as also of the three continents that were.

Source

-MM

What about some underwater city off of Cuba?
Always thought that could link to Atlantis.

originally posted by: yorkshirelad
Well there is no doubt that at the end of the ice age sea levels rose considerably.

...at the rate of a few inches to a foot or so per year. Not exactly catastrophic.

So the question is : is there any signs of civilisation 14,000 years ago.

No. Of cultures, yes (and ones much older than that.)

Civilizations have several features:
* thousands of people living in cities
* agriculture and domestication of animals (so you can store enough food so that people can become specialists in technology)
* government systems and systems of communication.
* boats, if they live near the water

So in a city of thousands of people, the land around would show farming and mining use, their goods would be traded across the continent (and would show up with less primitive people), and if part of their city flooded they wouldn't sit in their houses and drown - they would rebuild on higher land or get into boats and move elsewhere.

If there is I suspect that the vast majority of it is 120m below sea level! As far as I know there is no evidence of such civilisation but a tale of a flood would survive by word of mouth amongst nomadic people worldwide.

The evidence would show up in the land usage and technology as the people moved out of the way of rising sea levels. in other words, we'd also find them in cities and towns along rivers where they had the same technology and were using the land for agriculture and so forth. When the Polynesians moved across long distances of the Pacific Ocean to colonize Hawaii, they didn't lose their technology or way of life. So a long distance move like that wouldn't affect their knowledge.

originally posted by: teraform
What about some underwater city off of Cuba?
Always thought that could link to Atlantis.

Would Plato have been aware of Cuba? Plato is the sole creator of the story that told of the analogy of a small island taking on the might of an established civilisation and lost, that's it in a nutshell. Anything else is mythologising and book selling.

a reply to: theatreboy

I wrote something about Atlantis and other ancient civilizations a few years ago looking for the truth within myths and legends

Investigative research to study the cyclic nature of human consciousness and its deification of the Universe.

The concept of Lemuria was born during the 1887 Darwinian revolution sweeping scienctific establishments rushing to fill in the gaps of earths early epochs. Currently it is thought that a land bridge between India and Africa did once exist as weel as a continent in the Pacific.

Both The Lost Lemuria and Lemurian Scrolls share the idea of a past of harmonious living that became degraded and echo the same themes found in christian biblical genesis. However there is still the problem of the wishful thinking elements that place ideas of non-human entities ushering forth the evolution of the human race. Lemuria as a real place must therefore be treated with skepticism as it is presented. There is seemingly though a deeper truth to all the fables that deserves investigation. The nature of these myths which cycle alongside established scientific explanations of human evolution are in usual conflict but do share particular details such as global natural catastrophes. Somewhere in early history the idea took hold, to explain these events, to attribute some divine property as the cause and was the begining of misunderstanding and subsequently leading to the rise of religion as it remains today. Again it must be noted that indeed the wisdom of the ages have for the most part been forgotten, as it has been writ with particular truths and myth mixed up to such a great degree and that itself is a big clue to solving the mystery. Attention now will turn to examining Atlantis and the deciphering of its mystery. While such research has been done tirelessly by many others there still remains a missing truth that deserves to be documented. A truth that links the consciousness of the ancient past to the consciousness of the future. It will be explained the whys and wherfores of this perhaps great meme cycle in later chapters but to get there is a journey that must be navigated with care if it is to be fully grasped.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

That was the most interesting video I have seen for a long time, thank you for sharing the link with us.

The nabatians maybe were not the original builders of Petra and just maybe the site is extremely old as the commentor say's, her appraisal seem's fair to me with only one argument.

Without a density analysis of the rock it's rate of erosion is not definite or fixed but her argument of an earlier date ring's as common sense truth to my mind.

The fact she has showing entire dwelling's that are roughly similar to a modern apartment with half - or more - of the rock hewn construction now missing and that there is at LEAST two story's more below current ground level at many site along with the Jordanian government's block of further excavation's is fascinating, perhaps as at some sites in Egypt there is a matter of evidence of a previous civilization or even race whom have no relationship to the later Nabatian's whom were merely a beduin tribe whom set up came at the site and maybe reused ancient structures already there.

The more impressive and newer structures though ARE from the Nabatian culture (but not maybe the remains of possibly earlier structure high up on the mountain sides which are now left orphaned on the rock face), the Nabatians grew immensely wealthy on the back of the spice and incense trade with the Roman world, they hired the best stone mason's as well as produced some of there own whom set about aping the Roman and Greek architecture in the soft sand stone, later Islamic tribesmen would often take pot shot's at the sold stpne carved urn's thinking there was treasure inside them and of course both early christian and later islamic tribesmen set about defacing any images on the site.

That still leaves the remnants' of room's high up on mountain side, door's going no where and erosion inside many of these more enigmatic ruin's to deal with, the lack of surface rubble indicates that Petra possibly goes far more than two story's down at well and what we take as the land surface though undoubtedly meter's higher than when the Nabatian's had settled the site may indicate along with this that the core site is far more ancient and is indeed a remnant of a previous and uncatalogued culture, it would not be the first one.

Could not help but relive that scene from the end of the original planet of the apes in my mind.

a reply to: teraform

Genuine though many will bend over backwards and invite the dog for a sniff to deny it, the problem is the depth as in a STABLE geological model it would have taken a minimum of fifty thousand years to get to that depth, of couse the Region is NOT geologicaly stable.

Pressure from ocean depth is higher with the glaciers of the ice age melted back into the sea displacing sub crustal magma away from the equatorial regions toward the polar regions, today part's of scandinavia are still rising fairly rapidly as they rebound from the immense weight of the ice sheet's which were once many miles thick and crushed them crust beneath down into the magma, in part this is because the magma with no ice pushing down on the overlying crust has reduced pressure at these region's and also enjoys negative pressure toward the equator allowing crustal material to sink downward due to this reduced bouyancy in those regions.

Unlike some here I believe that there was civilization prior to 12.000 years ago, possibly even long before and even prior to the last ice age and my interpretation of other ruin's in the andes suggests that the entire south american continent underwent a massive tilting, probably as the pressure reduced in the atlantic side due to magma pressure falling and the pacific seaboard of south america rode over the remains of an ancient proto continent indicated by the thickening of the pacific crust that is now sliding under the south american plates as they drift west and I believe this happened cataclysmically within the last 15 thousand years.

As for Atlantis, well I don't actually believe in Plato's atlantis though I do believe that it may have been inspired by far more than the eruption of Thera and was probably based on a true story albeit romantiscized for his play.

For me just as other's have said even without cataclymic continent tilting and sub crustal magam displacement since even without these factors which may have caused former land to have dropped many hundreds of feet lower in altitude in so me region's (perhaps thousands in the case of continent tilting) the simply rise of the ocean level due to the melting of the glaciers at the end of the ice age would have meant sea level rises of perhaps up to two hundred feet or more.

The cold glaciers on high ground during the ice age would have meant that many places were people now live were actually uninhabited and even perhaps uninhabitable except for long tribes of primitive hunter gatherer's while the lowland stretching out for hundreds of miles into what is today the sea may have been home to sophisticated settled cultures, perhaps agrictulture which would have been lost for a time due to the cataclysmic end of the ice age would once also have flourised in this once fertile belt of lost coastal plain around the world.

And of course the sea's would have been SMALLER due to the ice being locked up on the continent's, many more islands that are now sea mount's would have pierced the surface of the water and perhaps served as home to people's, trade routes between europe/africa and the americas would have been significantly shorter and even the pacific would have hosted far more land with many islands such as Poanape being many time's larger at this time.

SO yes there is an Atlantis, perhaps many and perhaps there have been many others as the ice ages have come and gone, recently it has been suggested that neanderthal used chemicals to spark there fires so given we also know now that they had a fair grasp of language and were not inferior to us in most way's perhaps a sub race of Neanderthal man once hosted the ability to form settled civilization but we simply either have not found it yet or more disturbingly it has been suppressed which I must say I find credible as an argument.

a reply to: JimNasium

What you are talking about is precession of the equinox not pole shift, they are two totally different things.