Now I am not going to go into chapter and verse, I simply do not have a photographic memory and indeed my mind leaves a lot to be desired at most
time's so please bare with me.
This is not a thread about weather you believe or not but atheists, humanists whom care about other people especially are welcome as well as those
that believe and anyway I am probably going to rub some whom have distinct and literature based belief up the wrong way so it may be fun for you to
watch even if you do not have faith.
First off I do believe in Jesus, I do not argue about symantec's or follow revisionist history about my faith as many whom find it does not fit them
any longer but want to hold onto something DO and this is not a thread about time line or even direct quote's but about the social and moral intent
of christianity as it was not from the apostles but from what they said he himself said.
Now Jesus as many of you know was a HOMELESS guy, he walked about teaching, healing and praying with no home to call his own.
Just to cut and paste from the new international version of the bible for you to varify what I say, Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man since
he had become incarnate as a man.
Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
So he was homeless what the unchristian's call bum's or tramp's, down and out's.
Jesus cared about those whom had nothing and told his followers to share what they had with they whom had not.
John answered, "Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same."
In TRUE christianity, out of the word of Christ the rich give to the poor, christian tax and welfare but with a difference by giving to the poor you
recieve in heaven.
And he said to Him, "Teacher, I have kept all these things from my youth up." 21Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One
thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." 22But at these words he
was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property
God does not give to the rich in heaven unless they give to the poor on earth, it is his world, we are all his children, he loves each equally and
each is equally valuable to him, each from a christian perspective has been paid for to the same degree by his suffering on the cross.
While the rich should share (give to there brother whom has nothing what they are not using, the two shirts argument, God does not like them
pretending to be good and making a big fuss about it so that they get a pat on the back from there friends and neighbours, not only because it is
humiliating for the one they help but because it is hypocritical they are not more than the poor person in the sight of God and those that think they
are - well they are not godly in any way at all and are in God's sight below the poor man in his esteem.
So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by
others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full
So Essentially Christianity outlined the basic's of a welfare system, in the early church's the sick were looked after and wealth was kept
communaly a little like a Kibbutz, in fact it was a Kibbutz, the Apostles took this very seriously.
This is not from the mouth of Jesus but from his Apostle Peter.
The Story of Annanias and Sapphira, they had joined the church and recieved the holy ghost but then tried to decieve the spirit of god,I believe this
is true but it shine's a light on such as TV evangelists whom fill there own pocket's and church's full of fat priests whom do not share the church
wealth with the body of the church which is the congregation in there time's of need, essentally all mainstream clergy driven churchs of today which
have nothing in common with THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
This is a bit long but worth reading, no one killed them the holy spirit left them and they dropped dead.
But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife's full
knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles' feet
But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4"While it
remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your
heart? You have not lied to men but to God
nd as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6The young men got up and
covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him
Now there elapsed an interval of about three hours, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8And Peter responded to her, "Tell me
whether you sold the land for such and such a price?" And she said, "Yes, that was the price
Then Peter said to her, "Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have
buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well
And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last, and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her
beside her husband
When Jesus found money changers and merchants in the temply courtyard he showed, perhap's the only time in the bible, his anger and like samson this
one man threw them and there guard's out and overthrew there tables.
Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches
of those selling doves
You either serve God or you do not.
But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! 24"No
one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve
God and wealth
Today we see right wing politicians' harming the poor, greed and selfishness and secularism destroying what the corruption that festered in the
church with it's fat bishops in silk mitres as already twisted BUT whose Right are they on I must ask for it is certainly not the Right hand of God
so whose hand do they serve.
State welfare is not a luxury it is a duty to a christian nation, so is that the real reason we are being pushed into secularist idiology, even
humanists must see the point made in this, what you thought was christianity in the west was actually NOT christianity, it has always existed but only
in small sample's.
References thanks to Bible Hub
Remember this by Jesus as a parting passage, Christ placed himself in the place of all the downtrodden, all the poor, all the needy and all the
victim's that an evil and satanic corporate world is oppressing and harming.
When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you
did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 41"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me,
accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels