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Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

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posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

If you cite sources that show what Trump actually said instead of having it filtered through the MSM, if you use logic and disagree with someone on the left, then you are silencing them.

Really, we all need to just shut the #### up.




posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

So we grow tired of one liar and in turn put our faith in another liar?

Forget the "racist, Hitler, violent" crap and think about that for a second.

Trump has no moral or intellectual high ground over these sleazy politicians. He is just as bad as they are and somehow we expect something different?



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

You and others here drone on in thread after thread that the actions of some protesters have "shut down free speech."

These acts range from "flipping birds" to "yelling back when being yelled at" to "firing guns into the air" to "holding up mean signs in counter-protest."

All the photos and video stills you seem to have so close to hand ... creates a hostile environment for anyone who disagrees with Mr. Trump. They face your language, ridicule, conflict.

If protesters are shutting down free speech, so are you and those who post as you do.

If you love freedom, show it. Support others right to speak, even if you disagree with them.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

So we grow tired of one liar and in turn put our faith in another liar?

Forget the "racist, Hitler, violent" crap and think about that for a second.

Trump has no moral or intellectual high ground over these sleazy politicians. He is just as bad as they are and somehow we expect something different?


These folks are doing the only thing they know how to do: inversion, known in kindergarten as "I know you are but what am I."



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

So we grow tired of one liar and in turn put our faith in another liar?

Forget the "racist, Hitler, violent" crap and think about that for a second.

Trump has no moral or intellectual high ground over these sleazy politicians. He is just as bad as they are and somehow we expect something different?


Look, that is at least a valid argument. I do not believe Trump is some sort of saint. If he is running for POTUS its first and foremost for his benefit in my view. I don't think he's some kind of Mother Theresa out to save the day. I think it's probably an ego thing with him (but could be more sinister)

The differentiation he has with the current political class is that he has not held office before. The winner is going to be someone who is perceived as an outsider. Whether he is or not is a debate in itself.


The choices are not great - but Trump and Sanders represent the only choices that at least off some hope of change. Cruz maybe, but I think he has some serious issues with his presentation. He talks above most people. When delivering a speech, he would not be out of place on stage at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

And you and some others here drone on and on and on about the complete opposite.

Yelling back and forth the same tired rhetoric getting your gaunch in wad over what other people choose to believe in.

Why do you care? if you're so bothered by other peoples opinions, why come here at all only keep harping on about why you hate it?



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Says who, You?



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

You and others here drone on in thread after thread that the actions of some protesters have "shut down free speech."

These acts range from "flipping birds" to "yelling back when being yelled at" to "firing guns into the air" to "holding up mean signs in counter-protest."

All the photos and video stills you seem to have so close to hand ... creates a hostile environment for anyone who disagrees with Mr. Trump. They face your language, ridicule, conflict.

If protesters are shutting down free speech, so are you and those who post as you do.

If you love freedom, show it. Support others right to speak, even if you disagree with them.


If video testimony, videos of the event, images and articles used to support my point upset you then sorry for that. You did ask for them to support the points I was making and I did tell you I could go on and on with examples. I still have many many more. I have them close at hand because I have researched the topic.

If you go back and read through that thread you will find that the needling and insulting was coming in my direction, not from my direction. i was called a whole series of names directly and by innuendo (including being called a racist) but chose to let them slide.

If you mean I should support free speech by agreeing with you or else stop posting, then no. We have a different view of what free speech is.
No one is stopping you posting, but don;t expect me to be silent if I disagree with you.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

You and others here drone on in thread after thread that the actions of some protesters have "shut down free speech."

These acts range from "flipping birds" to "yelling back when being yelled at" to "firing guns into the air" to "holding up mean signs in counter-protest."

All the photos and video stills you seem to have so close to hand ... creates a hostile environment for anyone who disagrees with Mr. Trump. They face your language, ridicule, conflict.

If protesters are shutting down free speech, so are you and those who post as you do.

If you love freedom, show it. Support others right to speak, even if you disagree with them.


Maybe you weren't here yesterday. The "shutting down" sore spot is about anti-Trump protesters who blocked the public roads for two hours yesterday. Protesting is one thing, stealing two hours of strangers time is another.

Also in Chicago last week. Mr. Trump was forced to cancel a rally or enable an opportunity for violence by numbskull hotheads. That is silencing speech really.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: UKTruth

If you cite sources that show what Trump actually said instead of having it filtered through the MSM, if you use logic and disagree with someone on the left, then you are silencing them.

Really, we all need to just shut the #### up.


Exactly - I was attacked initially for not posting any evidence. Then when I post loads of it I am apparently going on and on and stifling free speech. Seems you just can't win.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Nope, we're not talking about your effect on me ... there is none: I know you for what you are.

And we're not just talking about what you alone done here are doing and have done to shut down free speech on ATS.

There are multiple Trump supporters in every Trump thread that target other posters here with personal commentary, jibes, ridiculing memes, etc. just because they don't agree with Trump's message and are willing to say so.

No, not at all, you don't have to stop posting by any means. Just make your statements of fact or opinion about the issues and leave others out of it. You don't have to give someone else your estimation of the ethics of their politics, of of their intellect, or of their posting style to get your point across, do you?

Taking action (and some of you do it cooperatively) to shut down other opinions is, according to you, shutting down "Free Speech."

So, if you're not a hypocrite by your own lights, stop it.

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posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

No, the harangue about Trump being "shut down" is not about the fools blocking traffic.

It's a tactic being used to shut down counter speech.

If anyone disagrees with Trump, or with what Trump supporters are saying and doing, why they're all "leftist progressive shills working to instill Nazi terror techniques" ... which is, it goes without saying, an attempt to shut down the dissenting speech of others.

Physicians, heal thyselves.
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posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Nope, we're not talking about your effect on me ... there is none: I know you for what you are.

And we're not just talking about what you alone done here to shut down free speech. There are multiple Trump supporters in every Trump thread that target other posters here with personal commentary, jibes, ridiculing memes, etc. just because they don't agree with Trump's message and are wiling to say so.

No, not at all, you don't have to stop posting by any means. Just make your statements of fact or opinion about the issues and leave others out of it. You don't have to give someone else your estimation of the ethics of their politics, of of their intellect, or of their posting style to get your point across, do you?

Taking action (and some of you do it cooperatively) to shut down other opinions is, according to you, shutting down "Free Speech."

So, if you're not a hypocrite by your own lights, stop it.


You first sentence is again antagonistic. Why not explain 'what I am'.
Once again - no one other than mods can shut down your speech here.

All my statements are about facts or opinion and I state which - in fact I got attacked for having an opinion and not 100% fact in another thread. I think the main point of your angst was that I refer to the Chicago protesters as progressive domestic terrorists and certainly hold that view still.

I reject the assertions you have made in this post and would ask that you refrain from attacking me personally.
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posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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The differentiation he has with the current political class is that he has not held office before. The winner is going to be someone who is perceived as an outsider. Whether he is or not is a debate in itself.


That's all it takes? To be considered an outsider?

It doesn't matter that he's a flip-flopping liar who's entire campaign is an insult to the intelligence?

His entire campaign has been reminiscent of something out of an SNL skit and yet people are getting on their knees to pay lip-service....because he is an outsider?



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Antagonistic? Not at all. I made general comments, you attempted to constrain them to you and I personally, and I clearly stated that you have zero effect on me, personally.

Sorry if direct speech offends you.

Again, the general argument (which your argument echoes) is that the speech of Mr. Trump and his followers (Freedom to Listen?) is being shut down by anything antagonistic to that speech, ranging from holding up a sign at a Trump rally saying "Dump Trump" to flipping birds and sticking out tongues to stopping traffic ... and these things are equated with sucker-punches and groups of Trump supporters kicking someone being escorted out of the gathering.

As far as all of your statements being factual ... that is neither here nor there. The ludicrosity of implication that all those who speak out against Trump are part of a unified, homogenous "force" is ridiculous on its own face.

You are free to reject any assertions of course. Just as I am free to state, clearly, that the actions that many are pursuing here, to wit, attacking other posters directly for their views on Trump and on these protests, take the exact same approach that the posts are attempting to cite others for.

I.e. there is much rampant hypocrisy afoot.

Please don't take my generic comments personally, even if language requires the use of the pronoun "you."
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posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth



The differentiation he has with the current political class is that he has not held office before. The winner is going to be someone who is perceived as an outsider. Whether he is or not is a debate in itself.


That's all it takes? To be considered an outsider?

It doesn't matter that he's a flip-flopping liar who's entire campaign is an insult to the intelligence?

His entire campaign has been reminiscent of something out of an SNL skit and yet people are getting on their knees to pay lip-service....because he is an outsider?


I think being an outsider is a big part of it yes.

As for him being a flip flopper - you can level that at just about any politician. In fact I think it is healthy to be able to change positions on some issues.
If you go back and watch Trump interviews from 20-30 years ago though, you will find him saying the same things about trade and immigration - two of the core tenets of his platform today.

I think the biggest insult to people's intelligence has played out over the last 20 years. Continual implementation of policy that has made everyone worse off (apart from the few) and a climate of control the likes we have not seen for decades - all in the name of keeping us all safe and saving the economy. Perhaps the biggest insult to people's intelligence ever is the notion we had to pay off bankers gambling debts and ask our kids and grand kids to carry on paying in order to eat out next meal.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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So he is not that different than the politicians after all.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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This notion that trump is an outsider is laughable

The dude has admitted to donating large amounts to both Democrats and Republicans...he's very much an insider. You don't amass a wealth of billions without having connections



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
This notion that trump is an outsider is laughable

The dude has admitted to donating large amounts to both Democrats and Republicans...he's very much an insider. You don't amass a wealth of billions without having connections


How can a man who has taken millions in loans from George Soros be "an outsider"?

LOL.



posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I'd say he's a lot different than the Politicians 'running things' (Amok) that is. And i don't think we need to go over all that again.




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