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Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Civil disobedience operates within the law

I am saying that is everything people like Gandhi and Martin Luther king did to win


TPTB break the law. The people notice and side with those TPTB try to silence

Like now with Trump


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

There were 10500 estimated protesters in Chicago.

Are you claiming (as you seem to be which is where I find the claim ludicrous) that all 10500 are leftist paid terrorists masquerading as protesters.

My position is here: on both sides there is violence. The violence was instigated by Trump's words and action originally, and has now taken on a life of it's own, as such things do. Now, in a sense, the genie is out of the bottle, and this violence is going to have to run it's course.

Most of the people on both sides are not violent. The difference is that Trump is and does clearly advocate for violence.

We can agree to disagree on the last if we must.
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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

Civil disobedience operates within the law

I am saying that is everything people like Ghandi and Martin luther king did to win


TPTB break the law. The people notice and side with those TPTB try to silence

Like now with Trump



Did you read Dr. King's letter written from jail? Because he had been arrested for breaking the law? Intentionally?

Do you know how many times Ghandi was put in jail? Ghandi arrests.

Honestly, you're simply mistaken about the meaning of civil disobedience.
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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:28 PM
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Those are isolated cases of one or few out of thousands peacefully gathered.

Even you mention that Trump has distanced himself from the violence officially.

Your argument is not based on strong evidence and is quite outlandish considering


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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You dont understand the nature of CIVIL disobedience

Their arrests drew them more support because they were targeted by TPTB unjustly.

Kind of like Trump now

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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

You dont understand the nature of CIVIL disobedience

Their arrests drew them more support because they were targetted by TPTB unjustly.

Kind of like Trump now


So, they state that they broke the law, they were incarcerated, and they say they were being civilly disobedient, but you disagree.

Okay.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

Those are isolated cases of one or few out of thousands peacefully gathered.

Even you mention that Tump has diatanced himself from the violence officially.

Your argument is not based on strong evidence and is quite outlandish considering



Now we're back at the beginning of your presentation.

Watch the videos. And we're done.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:35 PM
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I did I see an isolated incident that doesnt support your claim that ALL Trump supporters are violent

Also we established the source of these isolated incidents to be Hillary and George Soros

Have a star on me though


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I am simply not trying to rewrite the methods of established civil rights activists.

You are.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:37 PM
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Civil Disobedience
A symbolic, non-violent violation of the law, done deliberately in protest against some form of perceived injustice. Mere dissent, protest, or disobedience of the law does not qualify. The act must be nonviolent, open and visible, illegal, performed for the moral purpose of protesting an injustice, and done with the expectation of being punished.

OK now Since TRUMP has done nothign yet except speak WHERE IS THE INJUSTICE? Cicil disobedience is ONLY recognized WHEN its in PROTEST of a LAW or a INJUSTICE and NOT SPEECH.

Parking the cars just to keep people from attending the rally does not fal under its purview. (i looked it up on legal dictionary btw) ANd Notice the act has to be OPEN. CLosing uo a highway isnt very OPEN is it?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

I did I see an isolated incident that doesnt support your claim that ALL Trump supporters are violent

Also we established the source of these isolated incidents to be Hillary and George Soros

Have a star in me though



Quote me saying that "ALL Trump supporters are violent."



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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I dont have to.

You made the claim that Trump supporters are violent because Trump is telling them to be.

But great!

You admit Trump supporters are not violent now!

Progress!

With that and your admission before that Trump has distanced himself from the violence officially we are done!

Claim refuted by you no less!

Thanks for being reasonable


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Arguing from the dictionary again? Enjoy that.

You'll have to talk to the protesters about their reasoning for civil disobedience.

I've said previously, perhaps you missed it, that I think blocking traffic for any reason is stupid.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

Arguing from the dictionary again? Enjoy that.

You'll have to talk to the protesters about their reasoning for civil disobedience.

I've said previously, perhaps you missed it, that I think blocking traffic for any reason is stupid.



I know and Im definign what a act of civil dissobedience is for you. The protestors themselves dodnt know th eactual meaning then do they?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

I dont have to.

You made the claim thay Trump supporters are violent because Trump is telling them to.

But great!

You admit Trump supporters are not violent now!

Progress!



Trump has incited violence at his rallies and violence has happened. I've provided a few examples of freely and easily available video evidence of same.

I can copy and paste these lines infinitely.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:43 PM
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So you also dont support the actions of the protestors in Arizona

Great!



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:44 PM
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You could but that wouldnt make it any more true.

You have an isolated incident not a truth of the whole

Also you refuted those claims yourself just now



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

Arguing from the dictionary again? Enjoy that.

You'll have to talk to the protesters about their reasoning for civil disobedience.

I've said previously, perhaps you missed it, that I think blocking traffic for any reason is stupid.



I know and Im definign what a act of civil dissobedience is for you. The protestors themselves dodnt know th eactual meaning then do they?


Good heavens. I provided you with a definition of civil disobedience. You provided me with one. So, we're 1-1 on that score.

You're trying to argue with me that what protesters are doing doesn't fit with your understanding of "civil disobedience" which you now seem to understand involves breaking the law, which you didn't understand as we began the conversation.

You would have to speak with the people performing the civil disobedience to understand their reasons why they are doing it. Declaring that you don't think what they are doing is civil disobedience because it doesn't meet your definition ... is your issue.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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Trump supporters are simply non-violent peace loving people who will gracefully accept any political election loss that they endure without protest or, indeed, even the idea of riots.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Gryphon66

You could but that wouldnt make it any more true.

You have an isolated incident not a truth of the whole

Also you refuted those claims yourself just now



Trump has incited violence at his rallies and violence has happened.

I've provided a few examples of freely and easily available video evidence of same.




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