Right-Wing Alt Media, Bloggers Catfished by Fake "Rioter?"

a reply to: UKTruth

Your speculation is just that - but if it was planned then the violent protesters were played like a fiddle.

It's easy to play violent protesters when you provide your own.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UKTruth

Your speculation is just that - but if it was planned then the violent protesters were played like a fiddle.

It's easy to play violent protesters when you provide your own.

I didn't provide any violent protesters. I am thousands of miles away and did not work with any US organisation to provide violent agitators for the Chicago protest.

a reply to: Indigo5


There is a problem with your position.
There should be no protestors in the crowd for his supporters to punch.
People are calling Trump supporters thugs and violent. Let me ask you a question. Has there been any violence at a Trump rally where no protestors have been present?
Trump supporters are not spontaneously acting out in violent rages with each other.
The answer to my question is no, Trump supporters have only reacted to violent protestors attempting to shout down Donald Trump and violate his RIGHT to free speech. When you violate the rights of others you should expect that you will be responded to and when verbal attempts to respond to you are not working then you should expect that physical efforts will shortly follow.
In other words if you dont attempt to disrupt his speech then you will not get punched in the face. We are long past the point where words will work with leftest protestors. They have pushed the rock up the hill and now its going to roll back and crush them. I am honestly not a Trump supporter but I am sick and tired of the tactics of the progressive left and the constant push to socialism. I am a patient man but my patience has ran out. I am very much like the people supporting Trump.
The leftest is like the kid that keeps poking the dog. The dog gets fed up with it and snaps them, then they whine and cant understand why the dog was so mean.

a reply to: Dragoon01

my sentiments exactly.

honestly, had the hidden hand of politics not shown itself (Soros, koch) and tried to bully its way into power through anything goes tactics, I would have sat this one out. I cant now.

Its a threat to our well being beyond wage slavery and ethological castration.

This could get people killed while setting our cities ablaze, leaving them ruined for decades.

Trump needs to win and end their gravy train that is breaking our backs

originally posted by: Dragoon01
a reply to: Indigo5


There is a problem with your position.
There should be no protestors in the crowd for his supporters to punch.
People are calling Trump supporters thugs and violent. Let me ask you a question. Has there been any violence at a Trump rally where no protestors have been present?
Trump supporters are not spontaneously acting out in violent rages with each other.
The answer to my question is no, Trump supporters have only reacted to violent protestors attempting to shout down Donald Trump and violate his RIGHT to free speech. When you violate the rights of others you should expect that you will be responded to and when verbal attempts to respond to you are not working then you should expect that physical efforts will shortly follow.
In other words if you dont attempt to disrupt his speech then you will not get punched in the face. We are long past the point where words will work with leftest protestors. They have pushed the rock up the hill and now its going to roll back and crush them. I am honestly not a Trump supporter but I am sick and tired of the tactics of the progressive left and the constant push to socialism. I am a patient man but my patience has ran out. I am very much like the people supporting Trump.
The leftest is like the kid that keeps poking the dog. The dog gets fed up with it and snaps them, then they whine and cant understand why the dog was so mean.

Great post

originally posted by: theantediluvian
The Twitter feed goes back six months

His first Twitter account was created in July 2013 and uses the handle @RUthless187. That handle was suspended. He has a new handle now that is @187RUthless, active since March 17. The other account was created in February 2011 using handle @RUthless108.

How does any of that prove these are fake accounts? Because you're 95% biased going into the investigation probably?

FYI, 187= police code for murder, 108= police code for officer down. Sure seems logical that it's the same person with multiple accounts, the telltale sign was the "no comment" you received.

originally posted by: Benoit84
Well it's not like Trump cares about facts. All he knows is what he sees on the internet. 😂

And his supporters will follow suit....

Lol, the irony in this post.

originally posted by: Konduit

originally posted by: Benoit84
Well it's not like Trump cares about facts. All he knows is what he sees on the internet. 😂

And his supporters will follow suit....

Lol, the irony in this post.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Konduit

originally posted by: Benoit84
Well it's not like Trump cares about facts. All he knows is what he sees on the internet. 😂

And his supporters will follow suit....

Lol, the irony in this post.

originally posted by: primus2012

originally posted by: theantediluvian
The Twitter feed goes back six months

His first Twitter account was created in July 2013 and uses the handle @RUthless187. That handle was suspended. He has a new handle now that is @187RUthless, active since March 17. The other account was created in February 2011 using handle @RUthless108.

How does any of that prove these are fake accounts? Because you're 95% biased going into the investigation probably?

FYI, 187= police code for murder, 108= police code for officer down. Sure seems logical that it's the same person with multiple accounts, the telltale sign was the "no comment" you received.

Agreed - the video is a give away. Just too elaborate for some 3rd party who wants to destroy this guy to get hold of that video.

a reply to: DJW001

Your erroneous idea of Trumps people being in any way worse than a subversive,nationwide. organization ,funded by Soros.
The differences are to be found in how many get locked up.

a reply to: Dragoon01

The leftest is like the kid that keeps poking the dog. The dog gets fed up with it and snaps them, then they whine and cant understand why the dog was so mean.

So in other words, Trump supporters are aggressive animals and the Trump rallies are like pens? Do you what else is different about a Trump rally? The reporters are put into a large pen at the back. Donald Trump likes to open his speeches with a quick nod to the liars at the back of the room. Here's how a Vice reporter described it:

Vice - Why It’s No Surprise a Journalist Got Choked at a Donald Trump Rally

The incident was shocking for many people — but it wasn't a surprise if you've attended enough of his campaign rallies as a member of the press. After going to Trump events on the campaign trail in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, I've learned to accept that uncomfortable encounters with Trump's security and campaign staff are a routine hazard of the job. Trump is the only presidential candidate whose rallies feature a specific area in the back where journalists are corralled and not permitted to leave. Other candidates have areas designated for the media, but reporters are free to mingle in the crowd to interview people. Leaving the press pen at a Trump rally comes with its own risk, as today's altercation demonstrated.

I repeatedly saw members of Trump's communications team stalking the perimeter of his events on the lookout for any reporters with cameras or microphones. At a rally in Council Bluffs, Iowa, one of his aides forced multiple reporters with cameras back to the press pen, then stood behind reporters as they interviewed people. The incident on Monday came a day after Trump said he wants to weaken libel laws to make it easier to sue media outlets for negative coverage.

An NBC reporter named Katy Tur recently tweeted her experience at a Trump rally that was also familiar: "Trump trashes press. Crowd jeers. Guy by press 'pen' looks at us & screams 'you're a b-tch!' Other gentleman gives cameras the double bird." I've attended campaign events for all of the GOP candidates (except for Jim Gilmore), and Trump is the only one who routinely referred to the media and the Islamic State with equal amounts of disgust. During every speech, he spends a couple of minutes pointing at the press pen and lambasting the media, a schtick that invariably provokes applause and jeers from the crowd.

Does the Trump campaign have a right to remove disruptive people? Of course they do. Are there protesters showing up at his rallies? Yes there are.

But let's not pretend that there's not something different going on. You can try out this argument when it comes to disruptive protesters but it doesn't work at all with the members of the press who are being harassed by assholes while doing their jobs. If the MSM really wanted to do in Trump, they'd stop covering him completely.

Last night as I was looking to see if Bill Clinton really had lost his s# and trashed Obama (he didn't), I watched the speech he gave in Spokane two days ago. I didn't watch every single second of it but I heard a couple jeers in what I did watch and Bill Clinton didn't even stop to acknowledge it. There was no fanfare at all. I'm sure you'll also recall when a service member at a Clinton rally took an opportunity to flip out on Bill Clinton on microphone before he was ultimately escorted out. I'm sure you'll also recall the Sanders rally where BLM activists took over the stage and the campaign event where both Sanders and O'Malley were similarly shouted down by BLM protesters.

Nobody was punched in the face, kicked, shoved or spat upon. None of the candidates advocated any violence at all. So again, let's stop pretending that Trump supporters are entitled to beat up people for shouting things, waiving signs, wearing shirts or even wearing a klan hood. Should these protesters be surprised when it happens? Not if they're paying attention but that doesn't make it right, justified, excusable, etc. While I don't support people being disruptive, I don't support Trump supporters physically attacking people either or Trump himself with his soft incitement.

Trump supporters have only reacted to violent protesters attempting to shout down Donald Trump and violate his RIGHT to free speech.

Free speech protection in the United States, under the First Amendment of the Constitution, protects individuals from censorship by the government. It does not protect people from having others disagree with them — even if that person is a protester shouting their disagreement at a rally. It also doesn't protect vigilantism from angry mobs.

a reply to: primus2012

His first Twitter account was created in July 2013 and uses the handle @RUthless187

Yes, you are correct that the screenshot shows the account being made in July 2013. I was referring to the archive of the feed going back six months. FTR, the account in question was RUthiess187. The capital "i" looks like a lowercase "L." @Ruthless187 was created in 2009 and has 4 tweets.

How does any of that prove these are fake accounts? Because you're 95% biased going into the investigation probably?

That account is definitely fraudulent in that the person in the images and videos is not "Jamaal Williams." As I'm sure you read in my update, I'm allowing for the possibility that the account was actually created by that person whose name is Kevin according to dozens of other Twitter users tweeting to him and his Senior pictures from 2014 posted on Instagram.

He appears to be originally from Atlanta and is part of a Memphis, TN rap group, Fast Cash Boyz as evidenced by all the tweets from FCB Twitter handles, tweets on from his own account and of course, the multiple images and videos. He also lists his location on multiple accounts as Memphis, TN (though hey, that all could a cover up too).

Of course, there's always the possibility that @Ruthless108 is also not any of those things and that Twitter user is a complete fabrication as well as the linked Vine account (KGuttah), the Instagram account __double07, the ask.fm account linked out from the Instagram, KGuttah (at least 2 years old) and all of the FCB related accounts, pictures, videos and well, everyone who seems to know him personally.

What's clear is that the person in those images and videos isn't "Jamaal Williams." The person is that video is by all accounts, the person above who from all indications is named Kevin and resides in Memphis, TN. Now it's possible that he traveled to Chicago to break up the Trump rally and afterward shot a video shooting in the air, in Chicago, in celebration of the cancellation. It's possible but the only evidence of this occurring is a tweet with a video which could have been shot anywhere at anytime, on a Twitter feed for an account under a fake name.

Meanwhile, all other indications point to the person in the video not being in Chicago, let alone celebrating the cancellation of a Trump rally.

EDIT:

Did you check out the updates to the posts at American Freedom Fighters

Now here’s where it gets really weird. Jenn Jacques at Bearing Arms reports that while she was writing up her report and grabbing screenshots from Twitter like the ones posted above, “Jamaal” suddenly turned into “Rob.” And he’s a white lib.

And Rob is a leftist scumbag who supports Bernie Sanders.

or Bearing Arms:

In this video narrated by Mark Dice, you can clearly see a UIC Trump rally protester shooting a MAC 10 semi-automatic “assault weapon” (Uzi) into the air in Chicago to celebrate the event being canceled. …or so it seemed. As I was writing up this story and grabbing screenshots from Twitter like the ones posted above, “Jamaal” turned into “Rob”:

…and Rob turned out to be a huge imbecile.

So what’s the point of putting obviously inflammatory, racist and ignorant information out there about inner city Chicago? Chiraq doesn’t have enough senseless crime, now we’ve got people creating more on social media?

UPDATE: 3:00PM EST Mark Dice reached out to confirm: the Jamaal video was real!

Mark Dice "confirmed" the video was "real" by asking whoever was behind @Ruthiess187 on Twitter. Because you know, that makes sense if you're a moronic hack. The lesson here is don't be an idiot who gets trolled like Mark Dice (or gets trolled by Mark Dice?).

The Trump supporter post looks very clippy like the just went online and threw a bunch of clips together. You really can't trust anyone nowadays and have to research every online image there is so much misinformation out there

a reply to: theantediluvian

Congratulations, you appear to have found a protester catfish among a few thousand actual protesters attempting to disrupt the rally, herded around by Bill Ayers. I have to chuckle at people tripping over themselves to ignore the blatant reality that leftist protesters enjoy free license to disrupt and incite violence whenever it suits them. Black Lives Matter, anyone? Occupy Wall Street? La Raza? Any garden variety leftist protest against a conservative speaker on campus? People have such short memories.

a reply to: Guidance.Is.Internal

Congratulations, you appear to have found a protester catfish among a few thousand actual protesters attempting to disrupt the rally, herded around by Bill Ayers.

What makes you think Bill Ayers had anything to do with it? Sure, he made a cameo to stay in the public eye, but there was very little "herding" going on. There were dozens of different groups with different agendas acting in uncoordinated ways, not to mention hundreds of individuals who dropped in just for laughs.

I have to chuckle at people tripping over themselves to ignore the blatant reality that leftist protesters enjoy free license to disrupt and incite violence whenever it suits them.

The leftists chose to be unruly, the Trump supporters chose to be violent. Odd you find violence funny.

Black Lives Matter, anyone?

Black lives do matter, but thank you for your honesty.

Occupy Wall Street?

Much less violence across a nationwide months long protest than at a single Trump rally. Why is that, do you suppose?

La Raza?

Your point?

Any garden variety leftist protest against a conservative speaker on campus?

Can you think of an example of one of those protests turning violent in the last ten years?

People have such short memories.

And some people have vivid imaginations. Let me know when Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton tells their followers to beat the @%$^ out of someone.

originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: theantediluvian

Congratulations, you appear to have found a protester catfish among a few thousand actual protesters attempting to disrupt the rally, herded around by Bill Ayers. I have to chuckle at people tripping over themselves to ignore the blatant reality that leftist protesters enjoy free license to disrupt and incite violence whenever it suits them. Black Lives Matter, anyone? Occupy Wall Street? La Raza? Any garden variety leftist protest against a conservative speaker on campus? People have such short memories.

Well I consider myself to be fairly left, although I am "to the right" on a number of issues. The 2nd would be one for example. I certainly do not identify with any of the groups mentioned. Not even occupy. While I do hate aspects of wallstreet Occupy had no leadership or program. The other two either verge on or are, at times, blatantly racist. IMO the fight is about economics, not a game of divide and conquer the population. No one, one either side should have a license to incite violence. Period.

a reply to: DJW001

You're gullible if you think the protests were any less organized than the rally itself. Moveon.org even claimed responsibility for it. I have to chuckle at the "unruly protesters" vs "violent Trump supporters" comparison. Did you see any footage of the protesters? Had the cops not been there, it would have been a riot. The bottom line is those Trump supporters want to be left alone to attend the rally. If they wanted to pick a fight with you, they'd go to a Clinton or Sanders rally. But they don't.

Yeah, black lives do matter, as does my life.

My point with La Raza? Let's see, a bona-fide racially motivated movement among Latinos to reclaim the US. Tolerated by you. Speaks volumes.

Violent leftist rallies in the US? Have you not been paying attention? The cops have to get called out to all of these protests due to their violence. Everything from blocking roads to all-out riots. The Univ of Missouri protest that led to a professor being fired? Remember the Baltimore BLM riots? You honestly don't remember any of this? And that's just within the past few months.

a reply to: s3cz0ne

I disagree with inciting violence, depending on your definition of "violence". I think that if a group of people are constantly being subjected to threatening protests, then it needs to get thrown right back in the protesters' faces. I'd like to see right-leaning protesters get just as aggressive at Clinton/Sanders rallies in order to balance the scales, but that will never happen. Your typical right-leaning voter simply isn't that kind of person.

originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: s3cz0ne

I disagree with inciting violence, depending on your definition of "violence". I think that if a group of people are constantly being subjected to threatening protests, then it needs to get thrown right back in the protesters' faces. I'd like to see right-leaning protesters get just as aggressive at Clinton/Sanders rallies in order to balance the scales, but that will never happen. Your typical right-leaning voter simply isn't that kind of person.

In regards to Trump rallies it appears that the majority of people being subjected to violence are the protesters themselves. Illegal as some of their protests may be. When you say typical right leaning voter do you mean typical Republican voters? If so, like the modern day Democratic party the GOP is quite a strange beast. It has been described as a stool with four legs.

There are the East coast establishment - boardroom Republicans who generally care about government deregulation and profits. There are the evangelicals who generally care about social issues like gay marriage or abortion. There are the libertarians who proclaim they should have the right to put whatever they want in their own bodies, that government is too big and that private industry should, for many libertarians, in many instances, fill the role of government. Think anarcho-capitalism. In extreme cases government should not even be funding infrastructure like road construction and maintenance for example. Then there are the remaining, bitter, former "Dixiecrats". People who previously identified with the Democratic party before the political realignment brought about by the so called " Southern Strategy ". Folks who are generally racist and xenophobic. The same people who opposed desegregation, voting rights and the civil rights movement as a whole.

These are very disparate categories of people. Many of these people have however found a how in the Republican party. Ironically in some cases, what was at one time the party of Lincoln. Now I must point out I am certainly not calling every Republican a racist or xenophobe, surely not every Republican is a CEO or for that matter an anti-abortion activist.

I am certainly not saying that every " right wing " voter is a Republican. However as far as violence at protests are concerned they seem to be largely confined to Trump rallies. I'm not here to debate whether these protests were legal or not. Some were. Some weren't. But when you have a man in his late 70s assaulting a protester and then later saying something along the lines of "we may have to kill him next time" and the candidate in question does not come out and openly condemn such actions it is almost a defacto approval. I highly doubt Bernie is sending people to disrupt Trump rallies. He doesn't have the gaul nor the motivation. I dont recall bernie threatening trump. I do recall the opposite however. On top of that I think he is the bigger person for not doing so. BLM, La Raza and others do not represent the left. They may say they do but in reality they represent their own narrow agenda's. The so called left in this country is in its own huge mess anyhow. On one end of the spectrum there are the wallstreet Dems and on the other feckless Bernie Sanders. The left needs a new JFK or FDR. The Republicans could use a new Lincoln or even Roosevelt.

Now that I've had my say against the Republicans perhaps I can do same with regard to the Democrats. This two party system of divide and conquer is a big part of what's wrong with this country.