Proof that the illminati exists?

originally posted by: SoulVisions
There's no evidence.

So says the guy with a sig quote that says:

"Proudly carrying the torch and awaiting the new system"

Nice job shooting yourself in the foot...

Looks like evidence to me...

There are FAR too many holes in that theory for it to be even remotely possible.

Smart criminals rarely leave evidence at a crime scene.

• Many of those directly involved have admitted many times what they are up to
• Numerous whistle blowers disagree
• Many world leaders disagree as well (see below)

I'm going with JFK, Disraeli, and George Washington...

They seem to have just a WEE bit more credibility.

Past presidents of the United States and other high profile political leaders have repeatedly issued warnings over the last 214 years that the U.S. government is under the control of an “invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”

According to six of our former presidents, one vice-president, and a myriad of other high profile political leaders, an invisible government that is “incredibly evil in intent” has been in control of the U.S. government “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” (since at least 1836). They “virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties… It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”

As a result, “we have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world—no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.”

“A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.” – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832)

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

"Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand." ~ Benjamin Disraeli; Prime Minister of England

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the fields of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." ~ Woodrow Wilson

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation).” ~ George Washington

George Washington's Warning About The Illuminati

a reply to: Murgatroid

My signature doesn't mean precisely the same as you think,
I promise you that much.

With all the world issues going on right now though, don't you think there are more important things to concern individuals other than who is perhaps secretly doing this or that? That's just my thought.

What of interior projections? That of the US withdrawing to itself over the coming years (understand that how you would like). Lines blurring between immigrant residency and citizenship, emerging markets shares doubling, natural resource problems overseas, the US becoming nearly independent of oil nations due to turning to natural gas and fracking -beginning to turn its economy around, a general acceptance of a loss of its global "policing" power, the near loss of the lower class, and finally a turning point where the UN controls most?

My question/point is that even If disclosure on an unseen hand were to come to light, would it change anything at this point in time? The ball is already rolling.

The people abusing and influencing power structures today in "bad for the common man" ways are those aligned with the Old Man Club, or the Order of the Skull and Bones. J. Kerry threw his candidacy for GW Bush so he could win, and he wasn't even republican. They help each other and they do things that further their goals as a whole.
They have members everywhere in society in positions of authority including the Federal Reserve, the Supreme Court. Lawyers, University Deans, Doctors, the Council of Foreign Relations, and the UN. Also many members of Bilderberg are Skull and Bones.
They have people in the Military industrial complex as well as Generals, Admirals, etc.

They have the power to squelch publications that expose their plans. They have members in every single government entrenched agency including the FCC, the FAA, the dept. of the Treasury, Justice, Energy, etc. The list is a long one.

These are the people that pose the gravest threat today to American freedom and liberty. Also, other orders of secret societies play ball with each other to further their goals of power dominance in a global fashion.

simply put, no.
if some shadowy yet all controlling secret society wanted control and power, they would have it, now.
all those that believe have to go off are some confused theories, and quote mined material from past speeches.
also, remember who is in power, 9/11 happened on a republican watch, those using these websites leaned a little to the left, easy to blame bush.
democrats take power, a surge of right leaning people start using conspiracy sites, and the illuminati or new world order or whatever becomes, communist!
in the real world, the illuminati kicked off in 1776 in germany lasting until 1787, a whopping 11 years.
the saddest thing, these 'free thinkers' actually pick up on whatever mutated strand of illuminati they stumble upon, be it egyptian pyramid builders, jews, lizards, bankers, men on (in?) the moon and attempt to 'wake up' the brainwashed sheeple, indeed.
in 97 when the internet started to take off, the key (non porn) search term was new world order, thanks to wrestling, the likes of alex jones and jeff rense used the term to get internet hits, thus the new world order was born.
cheers hulkster.
what you have now are multiple versions of illuminati and new world order theories, each with their own evil goal.

Proof that they were successful:
Science and evolution are taught in schools
The world is accepted as not being flat
Art not centred around religion is celebrated

Whatever people think of as the illuminati today doesn't carry that name and doesn't represent what weishaupt built. There are different interests within powerful organisations that converge at specific points to carry out specific goals away from public scrutiny, many of them are not in the interests of regular people and could be considered immoral. That is true.

To just call it satanic is way too easy and something of a copout. Anything the church has ever deemed against its interests that runs counter to its monopoly on the minds of its adherents is always called satanic. There may even be elements of satanic ideology within it but that's still a mindlessly simple way to view it.

a reply to: Murgatroid

What does the Illuminati and the triangle symbol have to do with anything?

a reply to: ImmortalLegend527

Perhaps you missed the threads topic?

Proof that the illminati exists?

Don't seem to recall discussing the triangle symbol...

And what exactly does your one line of nonsense have to do with anything BTW?

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

Adam Weishaupt's was a gate keeper and catalyst for something very ancient yet ultra modern.

The search for enlightenment will never go away ... nor will the Illuminati ... even though it may bear a different name or no name at all ... "A rose by any other name is still a rose"

originally posted by: droid56
Is it just shadow stuff, or is there something more substantial? Are these people trying to control the world?

No it isn't shadow stuff as it doesn't exist. There is no actual evidence -- and threads on ATS about The Beastie Machine or whatever it's called isn't proof.

The only thing substantial is the conspiracy theorists' belief in it.

And they aren't controlling the world because it's impossible. Look around you. No govt, with all its power controls either itself or its people. And you want me to believe a handful of decrepit old men can do it? No chance.

For all the people that claim the Masons run the world -- if you could only see the way a lodge committee meeting is run and the you'd no there's NO WAY they do either.