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A simple question for our liberal friends

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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm guessing he doesn't know about the "Monroe Doctrine" and the "School of the Americas".


Oh I'm quite aware of those ...




posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: deadlyhope

Athesist/Humanists are "coming out of the closet" and beginning to organize regular groups. Weekly/bi-weekly/monthly.

I'm very much in favor. Of course, there's still the problem of "man made" corruption. But, I'm looking, investigating to get involved. On my own terms, of course.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
This is going to be short and sweet and I figured I would pose this question in the mud pit.

First let me just state, we know that the exodus points towards the west, and in this case the United States - coming from primarily failed socialistic society's from south of the border , in other words we see large groups of people immigrating to the United States and not away.

So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


Wow you're right, that is a simple question.
Mainly because we don't, and also because we don't.
Mexico is not Democratic Socialist. Ireland maybe but most of the Irish came here during the 20's before that happened. England? Nope.

Just out of curiosity OP, how many people are coming here from Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, Germany, Hungary, or Finland?
Oh that's right, almost none, because they take care of their citizens with "socialist" programs.

Take some time to come up with a complex question for a change. I will gladly answer that too.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: LAkadian

listen condescend me all you like, because you aren't happy with the framing of the question I get it. It makes you uncomfortable but the question remains, and if we wish to keep our borders porous and allow a voting block of constituents that helped create these failed states,(and I know you all blame america and never the citizens of other countries, you create a false dichotomy) So yes it does appear many left wing people wish to allow this and encourage this therefor it's a logical conclusion. Also another question, if you hate the U.S so much why remain why not leave to one of the socialist societies you mentioned?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 03:45 PM
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“In the last several years, millions of undocumented aliens have illegally immigrated to the United States. They have breached our nation’s immigration laws, displaced many American citizens from jobs, and placed an increased financial burden on many states and local governments.”

Strong words from A) Ronald Reagan, B) Donald Trump, C) Pres Obama, D) Cliven Bundy

And the answer is E) Jimmy Carter..... August 4th, 1977

Too bad we didn't listen to that liberal POTUS and instead embarked on decades of looking the other way when American businesses insourced foreign labor to keep costs down and profits up, making sure union strength disappeared in order to have no one fight back. Especially starting in the 1980s.

Well, if I had a hankering to leave, I suppose I could go where Rush Limbaugh wanted to retreat to..... Costa Rica, with its Socialist govt.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm guessing he doesn't know about the "Monroe Doctrine" and the "School of the Americas".


Oh I'm quite aware of those ...


No no, I thought the post I was responded to was referring to the OP. Not you. My apologies on that.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: LAkadian

listen condescend me all you like, because you aren't happy with the framing of the question I get it. It makes you uncomfortable but the question remains, and if we wish to keep our borders porous and allow a voting block of constituents that helped create these failed states,(and I know you all blame america and never the citizens of other countries, you create a false dichotomy) So yes it does appear many left wing people wish to allow this and encourage this therefor it's a logical conclusion. Also another question, if you hate the U.S so much why remain why not leave to one of the socialist societies you mentioned?


Listen, ignore my points all you like, but I am not upset with your question for its merits. I am upset that you could be so ridiculously wrong while being so sure of yourself. It's disheartening. Nice try with the Strawman BTW. Better luck next time.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 11:59 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: enlightenedservant


You might not know this, but nearly all of the world's central banks are actually privately owned by collections of banks, not by their host governments.


Banks and government are the ruling class. Banks are allowed to loan money that they don't have because of the government. The government then takes loans of counterfeit money to pay for votes by way of Welfare. It is counterfeit money because it has no wealth backing it, it is backed by the government's ability to tax and confiscate if necessary. Socilaism needs that phony money to pay for the "equality" it promises.

The problem with that is that over time inflation will make personal ownership of anything impossible, because the debt will be so high that a lifetime of work by the entire country wont be enough to pay it off. Then the gov will own everything and all products will be specifically ordered by the gov and rationed to all citizens.


Their govt cronies legislate that currency into being the only form of accepted currency


That is the Socialist part, the use of government.



Lazy entitled hippy. Well thanks! I will take that as a compliment.

No, Banks are the ruling class. Government is the arm OF the ruling class. It's a nuanced distinction so I wouldn't expect you to get it. No worries.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 12:06 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: enlightenedservant


You might not know this, but nearly all of the world's central banks are actually privately owned by collections of banks, not by their host governments.


Banks and government are the ruling class. Banks are allowed to loan money that they don't have because of the government. The government then takes loans of counterfeit money to pay for votes by way of Welfare. It is counterfeit money because it has no wealth backing it, it is backed by the government's ability to tax and confiscate if necessary. Socilaism needs that phony money to pay for the "equality" it promises.

The problem with that is that over time inflation will make personal ownership of anything impossible, because the debt will be so high that a lifetime of work by the entire country wont be enough to pay it off. Then the gov will own everything and all products will be specifically ordered by the gov and rationed to all citizens.


Their govt cronies legislate that currency into being the only form of accepted currency


That is the Socialist part, the use of government.



Except the government doesn't control the Federal Reserve! Have you EVER heard of the Federal Reserve being audited or indicted or under review?
I mean come on.
A private entity, that has no officials overseeing it, and you think the government is controlling it...
Sterling logic guys. Real solid. 10 out of ten.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: LAkadian

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: enlightenedservant


You might not know this, but nearly all of the world's central banks are actually privately owned by collections of banks, not by their host governments.


Banks and government are the ruling class. Banks are allowed to loan money that they don't have because of the government. The government then takes loans of counterfeit money to pay for votes by way of Welfare. It is counterfeit money because it has no wealth backing it, it is backed by the government's ability to tax and confiscate if necessary. Socilaism needs that phony money to pay for the "equality" it promises.

The problem with that is that over time inflation will make personal ownership of anything impossible, because the debt will be so high that a lifetime of work by the entire country wont be enough to pay it off. Then the gov will own everything and all products will be specifically ordered by the gov and rationed to all citizens.


Their govt cronies legislate that currency into being the only form of accepted currency


That is the Socialist part, the use of government.



Except the government doesn't control the Federal Reserve! Have you EVER heard of the Federal Reserve being audited or indicted or under review?
I mean come on.
A private entity, that has no officials overseeing it, and you think the government is controlling it...
Sterling logic guys. Real solid. 10 out of ten.


The banks loan money they don't have. That is fraud. The gov allows that. The gov allows the Fed farce.

In return the gov gets to spend without needing to tax. It taxes anyway so it has leverage on everybody and so the new rich will never catchup to the old rich. Socialism is good with that.

"the power to tax is the power to destroy" US Supreme Court.



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: LAkadian

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: enlightenedservant


You might not know this, but nearly all of the world's central banks are actually privately owned by collections of banks, not by their host governments.


Banks and government are the ruling class. Banks are allowed to loan money that they don't have because of the government. The government then takes loans of counterfeit money to pay for votes by way of Welfare. It is counterfeit money because it has no wealth backing it, it is backed by the government's ability to tax and confiscate if necessary. Socilaism needs that phony money to pay for the "equality" it promises.

The problem with that is that over time inflation will make personal ownership of anything impossible, because the debt will be so high that a lifetime of work by the entire country wont be enough to pay it off. Then the gov will own everything and all products will be specifically ordered by the gov and rationed to all citizens.


Their govt cronies legislate that currency into being the only form of accepted currency


That is the Socialist part, the use of government.



Except the government doesn't control the Federal Reserve! Have you EVER heard of the Federal Reserve being audited or indicted or under review?
I mean come on.
A private entity, that has no officials overseeing it, and you think the government is controlling it...
Sterling logic guys. Real solid. 10 out of ten.


The banks loan money they don't have. That is fraud. The gov allows that. The gov allows the Fed farce.

In return the gov gets to spend without needing to tax. It taxes anyway so it has leverage on everybody and so the new rich will never catchup to the old rich. Socialism is good with that.

"the power to tax is the power to destroy" US Supreme Court.



You really think it's the government stopping new people from getting rich? Seriously who stands to benefit? Will you honestly ask yourself that?

Interest. Sure the government approves new spending bills. They have to or the government will crash. Not saying that's a good thing. It's quite atrocious actually. I will concede with you on one point. It was the government that allowed unbacked currency, but I see that more as a fatal error.
I mean think of it in simple terms, if I loan you 100$ at 9% interest and then you tell me I can print more money, I will. At this point your 100$ debt not only goes up due to interest, but because of inflation you'll never pay it off. Your dollar is now worth 20¢. You're the government, k? What do you do?

Answer: You try to adjust your rate, and if you can't, you have to take out another loan.

That's how it works.

Now you said the government allows that, so take it a step further. Why do you think they continue allowing it?

Could it be that some of them are receiving compensation for their cooperation?
edit on 22-3-2016 by LAkadian because: Thought experiment



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 02:29 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: LAkadian

listen condescend me all you like, because you aren't happy with the framing of the question I get it. It makes you uncomfortable but the question remains, and if we wish to keep our borders porous and allow a voting block of constituents that helped create these failed states,(and I know you all blame america and never the citizens of other countries, you create a false dichotomy) So yes it does appear many left wing people wish to allow this and encourage this therefor it's a logical conclusion. Also another question, if you hate the U.S so much why remain why not leave to one of the socialist societies you mentioned?


Well, I did. So yeah, it's possible. Our "Americans in France" group is getting a wave of newcomers asking how to go about moving to France. Seems the possibility of Trump becoming President is spurring a wave of political refugees!

So don't worry too much, it looks like you'll probably get what you want and a large number of those who don't want it will get out. (Unfortunately I am afraid that means a large part of the intellectual and educated part of the population, which makes me wonder what will happen to the masses through time, but whatever...°

America's immigrants come mostly from Mexico and South America. No countries there are being looked to as examples of policies liberals would like to see exist in the US. You simply made a mistake. That is forgivable though because it is part of the propaganda being fed to the masses in that country, and many people get pulled into it.

Here is an interesting article- The biggest thing Americans get wrong about Nordic countries
Which is about some of the countries being looked to as examples of some systems that apply to our current problems and have shown to work.

On the question of exodus, check this out-

data.oecd.org...

Spain, Norway, Belgium, Sweden, Slovenia, Ireland, Austria, Canada, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Luxemberg have a higher portion of their population that is foreign born, than the US. So the US cannot rightly claim to be have such a huge problem...

(In France it is illegal to gather any stats which discern differences in ethnicity or origin, so they can't gather those- but I am willing to bet we have a much higher portion here than the US too.)
edit on 22-3-2016 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 22 2016 @ 05:59 AM
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a reply to: deadlyhope
Satanism was never about responsibility, honor, being good. It has always been about selfishness, indulgence, materialism.

Their leader was a fraud whose daughter was raped and impregnated at 13 by someone from their cult. Like all cults they use alluring philosophies and rational morality, yet never practice what they preach. Cults are always about brainwashing for means of power.

Brainwashing, like the false-dichotomous question of the opening post. Wording a question so that it forces the answer within narrow confines.



posted on Mar, 26 2016 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I'm guessing he doesn't know about the "Monroe Doctrine" and the "School of the Americas".


Most Americans don't. That's why they still labor under the illusion that US foreign policy is based on fighting for freedom and democracy. Latin America alone proves that is false.



posted on Apr, 1 2016 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
This is going to be short and sweet and I figured I would pose this question in the mud pit.

First let me just state, we know that the exodus points towards the west, and in this case the United States - coming from primarily failed socialistic society's from south of the border , in other words we see large groups of people immigrating to the United States and not away.

So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


Your question is too simplistic regarding a problem that is ridiculously complex. A problem that exists primarily due to the meddling and manipulation of the US government (or sections of it) and US corporations.

The further irony is that throughout US history there has been ANTI-name a group sentiment towards people. Whether it be Italians, Polish, Irish, or Jews. Anytime a large group of countrymen have come from their homeland to the US there has been a backlash.

So, when I see people getting strangely pissed off now about Mexicans when they've been coming into this country for a good 100 years or more, I find it laughable. I'm not saying you are pissed off. However, the overall sentiment is anger and rage. Anger and rage that is misdirected at a population that has been doing this for a long time and things haven't really changed in America due to them.

The most painful aspect is that people haven't learned yet that when something is being pushed and politicized by politicians and the media that it's a distraction. It's a topic used to keep people blinded by what's really going on, just another scapegoat so you don't start realizing the real problem are those running our Corporatocracy.
edit on 1-4-2016 by WCmutant because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 2 2016 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: LAkadian

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: LAkadian

originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: enlightenedservant


You might not know this, but nearly all of the world's central banks are actually privately owned by collections of banks, not by their host governments.


Banks and government are the ruling class. Banks are allowed to loan money that they don't have because of the government. The government then takes loans of counterfeit money to pay for votes by way of Welfare. It is counterfeit money because it has no wealth backing it, it is backed by the government's ability to tax and confiscate if necessary. Socilaism needs that phony money to pay for the "equality" it promises.

The problem with that is that over time inflation will make personal ownership of anything impossible, because the debt will be so high that a lifetime of work by the entire country wont be enough to pay it off. Then the gov will own everything and all products will be specifically ordered by the gov and rationed to all citizens.


Their govt cronies legislate that currency into being the only form of accepted currency


That is the Socialist part, the use of government.



Except the government doesn't control the Federal Reserve! Have you EVER heard of the Federal Reserve being audited or indicted or under review?
I mean come on.
A private entity, that has no officials overseeing it, and you think the government is controlling it...
Sterling logic guys. Real solid. 10 out of ten.


The banks loan money they don't have. That is fraud. The gov allows that. The gov allows the Fed farce.

In return the gov gets to spend without needing to tax. It taxes anyway so it has leverage on everybody and so the new rich will never catchup to the old rich. Socialism is good with that.

"the power to tax is the power to destroy" US Supreme Court.



You really think it's the government stopping new people from getting rich? Seriously who stands to benefit? Will you honestly ask yourself that?

Interest. Sure the government approves new spending bills. They have to or the government will crash. Not saying that's a good thing. It's quite atrocious actually. I will concede with you on one point. It was the government that allowed unbacked currency, but I see that more as a fatal error.
I mean think of it in simple terms, if I loan you 100$ at 9% interest and then you tell me I can print more money, I will. At this point your 100$ debt not only goes up due to interest, but because of inflation you'll never pay it off. Your dollar is now worth 20¢. You're the government, k? What do you do?

Answer: You try to adjust your rate, and if you can't, you have to take out another loan.

That's how it works.

Now you said the government allows that, so take it a step further. Why do you think they continue allowing it?

Could it be that some of them are receiving compensation for their cooperation?



Upon his death in 1937, Rockefeller was worth an estimated $340 billion in today’s dollars—more than four times the wealth of Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

www.youtube.com...

The old money class gets to use the newly created Federal Reserve money first, before it looses value to inflation. Notice the increase in New York real estate prices and art auctions.

"The Power to Tax is the power to destroy" SCOTUS



posted on Apr, 10 2016 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
OK, here's the map for those interested:



Yeah, I see ONE South American country. . . Premise for the the thread is off-base. I don't see Americans complaining about being inundated with Russian illegal immigrants.


This picture is wrong. I am from Nicaragua, and it's been a socialist country since the sixties. It's 50+ years is completely ignored. I bet if I ask my elders, I can find another couple omitted Central and Southern countries.
OP's point is stronger than you think.

edit on 4102016 by MayanBoricua because: Off the top of her head, my mom says at least 6 countries are missing from the latin american side. Brasil, Panama, Costa Rica, and some other I forgot. She also seems to think Mexico has been socialist on the low for many years. But, I still have not spoken to the elders that really know their spit.



posted on Apr, 16 2016 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BigScaryStrawman

Yep, and the current plight of the Native Americans shows what happens when you do not have and enforce a coherent immigration policy. But hey! When we all become inmates in our own country swamped by latinos who really aren't any more native than we are anymore ... we can all sit around getting drunk and saying "I told you so."


Pretty sure they did.
The immigrants had guns and steel armor.
Nice try tho.

Look, the same liberals you're decrying are the group who's criticisizing the war industry for invading the middle East. If you're looking for toxic invaders, we ain't it.
edit on 16-4-2016 by LAkadian because: Clarification



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