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A simple question for our liberal friends

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posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7




OUR country has NOT reflected it's people since WWII


You speak for everyone?
It ended in 45, do you want us to go back to how we did things then?
That is a loaded question btw, I hope you can see one huge issue with that .




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

If America turns out the way conservatives want no one will ever want to come here.

Liberals are the ones who created such a great environment in America that people want to come here NOT conservatives



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

Liberals are the ones who created such a great environment in America that people want to come here NOT conservatives



Yup.

All the free stuff attracts many failures to a better failure.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

What free stuff?


People come to America because of the liberal tradition of fairness and justice and opportunity in a wealthy society

FDR created much of that atmosphere and JFK lost his life for that...two liberals btw.

If conservatives had their way of ONLY things for rich white people who the hell would want to come here.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

They come here illegally for all that?




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: TechniXcality
So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


You do realize that a number of very stable, very peaceful, very high-quality of life countries are liberal too, right?

Don't you think that perhaps there's a bit more to it than just being liberal or not?


All of those liberal states live off of massive debt. None of them are solvent.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

Yup.

All the free stuff attracts many failures to a better failure.



So if they are all here for the Free Stuff, how is it that they are also taking so many jobs away from Americans???

If you're going to generalize like you are, then you really need to choose consistent generalizations instead of conflicting ones or your argument falls apart.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: TechniXcality
So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


You do realize that a number of very stable, very peaceful, very high-quality of life countries are liberal too, right?

Don't you think that perhaps there's a bit more to it than just being liberal or not?


All of those liberal states live off of massive debt. None of them are solvent.


LOL And what about all of the capitalist-heavy countries like the US and Japan? We're also stuck with massive national & consumer debt. So apparently the economic system isn't what determines this debt; the techniques for governing do.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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Could you give an example of how you think liberals are trying to make our country like the ones people are fleeing from? The main point of your O.P. is simply an opinion (opposite of mine) that has no factual backing in the O.P.
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posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
Could you give an example of how you think liberals are trying to make our country like the ones people are fleeing from? The main point of your O.P. is simply an opinion (opposite of mine) that has no factual backing in the O.P.


I'm going to blame the Libertarians.

We don't need government. We don't need laws. We are free to do whatever we want.

Well, sort of



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: TechniXcality
So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


You do realize that a number of very stable, very peaceful, very high-quality of life countries are liberal too, right?

Don't you think that perhaps there's a bit more to it than just being liberal or not?


All of those liberal states live off of massive debt. None of them are solvent.



Yet the most in-debt country in the world is the USA, with external debt

I'm not quite sure what you're argument is?



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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The OP is based in truth. If you consider where many immigrants come from and the condition of those nations, then look at what they do once entering the US, its not that far a leap to think eventually the US will be the same if not worse than the countries they fled in the first place.

Muslim countries are a great example. They flee because of the violence and the strict laws prohibiting all kinds of behavior we take for granted. But they come here and try to set up sharia law - which is exactly what they were running from. Many people from mexico are fleeing the poor job markets, violence of the drug cartels, etc. But once they get here they start engaging in the same behavior that caused them to leave mexico in the first place.

And that does not take in to consideration the bigger picture. We can not as a nation afford to fund every need for every person on earth. Our tax base simply isnt big enough to fund our own needs any more. We cant afford to offer free stuff for anyone who enters this nation legally or otherwise and promises to vote democrat. If we continue to give without finding ways to replenish our resources, that does not include taxing the shrinking group of full time workers to death, then yes we will end up just like every nation that immigrants are currently fleeing in droves.

At some point we will have to take care of home first. If we don't, we will end up just as needy and desperate as those we are trying to help now.

What drives me crazy in all this is the liberal democrat hypocrisy. Democrats go insane if you dare to suggest that you should have a valid US ID to vote in a US election. They claim its racist to even suggest that. But in mexico - mexican people need to have an ID in order to vote... Their own country demands they have an ID to vote, but democrats think we should let them vote in the US without one. And exactly how do you control how many times an illegal alien votes when there is no way to identify them? Why would we let the people of any other nation vote for our world leader? No other nation lets us vote in their elections... But I guess that is because they aren't politically correct, like we are... /puke
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posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: xuenchen

Yup.

All the free stuff attracts many failures to a better failure.



So if they are all here for the Free Stuff, how is it that they are also taking so many jobs away from Americans???

If you're going to generalize like you are, then you really need to choose consistent generalizations instead of conflicting ones or your argument falls apart.


Those jobs they take are part of the free stuff.



and I will certainly consider your failed advice



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Semicollegiate

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: TechniXcality
So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


You do realize that a number of very stable, very peaceful, very high-quality of life countries are liberal too, right?

Don't you think that perhaps there's a bit more to it than just being liberal or not?


All of those liberal states live off of massive debt. None of them are solvent.


LOL And what about all of the capitalist-heavy countries like the US and Japan? We're also stuck with massive national & consumer debt. So apparently the economic system isn't what determines this debt; the techniques for governing do.


That's because of the failed socialist policies.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Do you ever base anything you say on facts or you just a propaganda seller.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

Those jobs they take are part of the free stuff.



and I will certainly consider your failed advice




Well, I don't know what kind of jobs you've been working because for the rest of us, Working means the opposite of Free Stuff. You see, by it's very nature, Working automatically makes what you get from it, Not Free Stuff. Free Stuff is what you get when you don't work for it. Ya see, because "Stuff" is not "Free" if you must put in "Work" for it.

So ya can't really have it both ways you see.

and I will certainly consider your failed theory.

Or, perhaps we could both stop generalizing a complex issue and falsely applying some kind of partisan blame to it and discuss it like rational adults who really want to understand something. Then we might make some sort of progress in solving it.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: FullBloodedNative
a reply to: xuenchen

Do you ever base anything you say on facts or you just a propaganda seller.


Says the one who just posted an unsourced banner of BS.

Illegal immigrants who have children born here get plenty of benefits.

That's because minors must have somebody to handle the money.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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Wait isn't it the conservatives who want third world country status. Attempting to deny women rights (abortion), Keep minorities down(Muslims, BLM, Native American rights), Denying people the right to choose who they can marry (gay rights), war on the poor...etc

Is it not a third world country status to deny people rights because of who they are or represent.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

The party causing the most damage is the ultra Left Wing factions of the Democrat Party.

And they certainly are pressing hard to make the U.S. just like the rest of the ultra Left Wing failures.




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