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A simple question for our liberal friends

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posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
This is going to be short and sweet and I figured I would pose this question in the mud pit.

First let me just state, we know that the exodus points towards the west, and in this case the United States - coming from primarily failed socialistic society's from south of the border , in other words we see large groups of people immigrating to the United States and not away.

So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


Mexico is socialist?

My friend from El Salvadore said they had to keep all necessities at floor level. Like food, water, telephone, etc. Because when the shooting started you could spend days laying prone on the floor to survive.

Its the corruption. Mexico is run by drug lords and its getting worse.

Reminds me of the mafia in their heyday here in the states. The crooks are in charge.

And here in the US, what do we do? Blame law for everything that's wrong.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality
I think because Capitalism has lost its way, the Regulations that were were put in place to make it work have disappeared. Worker raises now go to the Investors instead of the worker. Wall Street Bankrupts Companies for Profit.

Healthcare is out of control because it is for Profit. The Burden our Government has created for the average citizen in my view is reprehensible. I wasn't put on this planet to be an indentured servant, work till I'm too old and perhaps fall ill and die, just to serve the a God called Money.

This Country is far from what was intended. We are not Free, We are not Equal no Liberty and Justice for all.

BTW: I'm an Independent, have been for over 40 years. I rarely Vote for Republicans, but Voted for a Republican Mayor a few months ago. Republican love Money and Hate People, I like it the other way around.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:25 PM
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To answer you question, if you make this country as sh$tty as their country, they'll stay right were the f$ck they are. I think the Leviathen is working on it as we speak. PEACE, LOVE & CHICKEN GREASE!



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

I believe that amnesty is the moral thing to do. I believe the US should take responsibility for the things it has done wrong. The US largely caused the economic and political strife in Mexico, Venezuela, Honduras, el Salvador, Colombia etc, etc, etc...



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: Annee

The professional multi-national drug cartel system is Left Wing Anarchy.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

The professional multi-national drug cartel system is Left Wing Anarchy.




Uh huh, of course.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Eye roll sync up.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

Interesting so these are failed states because of America, when you say ,"take responsibility" what does that mean please spell it out?



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
This is going to be short and sweet and I figured I would pose this question in the mud pit.

First let me just state, we know that the exodus points towards the west, and in this case the United States - coming from primarily failed socialistic society's from south of the border , in other words we see large groups of people immigrating to the United States and not away.

So my question is, why is it that liberals want to make America more like the countries illegal immigrants flee from?


Too many people falling for the ultra Left Wing professional propaganda.

Here's some facts that many people seem to be ignorant of:



Below are Left-wing and Centre-left presidents elected in Latin America since 1990 Note: Centre-left presidents are marked with *

Nicaragua: Daniel Ortega (1979–1990, 2007–present)

Chile: Patricio Aylwin* (1990-1994), Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle* (1994-2000), Ricardo Lagos* (2000–2006), Michelle Bachelet* (2006–2010, 2014–present)

Dominican Republic: Leonel Fernández* (1996–2000, 2004–2012), Danilo Medina* (2012–present)

Venezuela: Hugo Chávez (1999–2013), Nicolás Maduro (2013-present)

Argentina: Néstor Kirchner* (2003–2007), Cristina Fernández de Kirchner* (2007–2015)

Brazil: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva* (2003–2011), Dilma Rousseff* (2011–present)

Uruguay: Tabaré Vázquez* (2005–2010, 2015–present), José Mujica* (2010–2015)

Bolivia: Evo Morales (2006–present)

Honduras: Manuel Zelaya* (2006–2009)

Paraguay: Fernando Lugo (2008–2012)

Ecuador: Rafael Correa (2007–present)

Guatemala: Álvaro Colom* (2008–2012)

El Salvador: Mauricio Funes* (2009–2014), Salvador Sánchez Cerén* (2014-present)

Peru: Ollanta Humala* (2011–present)

Costa Rica: Luis Guillermo Solís* (2014–present)

Pink Tide


And not to mention all the international and local NGO structures that use the standard beer hall terror techniques to make sure the propaganda stays in their favor.




posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

I was pretty clear and that's not really to do with anything you asked. I really can't figure out why you even posed the question you did. Liberals, by which I guess you really meant Leftists and Progressives, like the Scandinavian models of social democracy... no one's coming here from Denmark. I think you're a little mixed up hun.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: TechniXcality

I believe that amnesty is the moral thing to do. I believe the US should take responsibility for the things it has done wrong. The US largely caused the economic and political strife in Mexico, Venezuela, Honduras, el Salvador, Colombia etc, etc, etc...


It is not only the right thing to do, it is the only practical thing to do. One cannot pick up millions of people and physically put them back where they came from.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Annee

The professional multi-national drug cartel system is Left Wing Anarchy.




If you ask me drug cartels are more opportunistic, cut-throat, unregulated, anarcho-capitailism that smacks of a more conservative slant.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:40 PM
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Long term Leftist failure always causes mass emigration.

Turn-arounds from Left Wing policies take decades to reverse.


article from last Nov...
South America’s leftist governments losing grip on power after years of dominance


edit on Mar-19-2016 by xuenchen because: elchapo



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

That list says, "left wing" and "left centrist" -- NOT SOCIALIST.

No one is advocating for full-blown socialism in America. Hell, the countries people use as examples in favor of more socialist-type programs aren't even socialist -- they are a HYBRID OF CAPITALISM AND SOCIALISM.

Fear mongering, bad information and twisted/distorted facts...

That, right there is how you present PROPAGANDA.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Yeah, I see ONE South American country. . . Premise for the the thread is off-base. I don't see Americans complaining about being inundated with Russian illegal immigrants.


Good ol' false premises. They never cease to amuse.

It's a shame, I usually enjoy the OP's content.


I think a better thread topic would be to look at what countries are actually socialist, and look at the immigration levels of those people in the USA.


That's a good idea, perhaps I'll do some research and compile it into a thread to spread the information



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

So what is it? Why can't these so-called "failures" you present do what other countries like Sweeden do?

Is it a failure, or isn't it? How come there are examples of incredible success? You only present one side of the story, a story you are in favor of. A side of the story you have an agenda to push and peddle.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You could at least excuse yourself after you fart.



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: Ghost147

The thing is, it'll be hard...most countries aren't exclusively "socialist" -- as that is kind of an ideal. Just like how America has never been truly 100% "capitalist" ... no one country has ever been truly "socialist".

What makes places like Norway and Sweden a success are that they take the BEST bits of socialism and incorporate them into a capitalist model.

Americans are to arrogant to listen or look at other people around the world and see what works for them. Nope, we have all the answers, we're #1 -- we do everything better than everyone else.

I swear American arrogance/exceptionalism, combined with the anti-intellectual movement is going to bring about the destruction of America. We've got our noses so far up our own behinds that we don't see how badly our own country has become. Meanwhile the richest people on Earth are extracting as much wealth from Americans as possible and hiding it overseas, building utopias in places like Dubai ... all off the backs of willfully ignorant and brainwashed American citizens.

They do this by distracting the average American with "infotainment" like Donald Trump and his antics. They split and divide us by throwing us false dichotimies and choices of "teams" to side with. All the while these robber barons are sneaking off with our wealth and building insane "aristocratic pleasure domes" for themselves to ensure their survival in the inevitable collapse of American society.

We're literally being robbed from beneath our noses, but have bought into the distractions sold to us, and allowed ourselves to participate in the divide and conquer schemes of the wealthiest people alive.

None of those people care one iota for us. They laugh and make jokes about the poor. They move their wealth around like chess pieces, irrespective of the lives it costs or the social and moral implications it brings. The people that really rule the world do not view the middle and lower classes even as "people" -- simply chattel for wealth extraction. We're disposable, undesirable leaches upon a world they believe is theirs to inherit.
edit on 19-3-2016 by MystikMushroom because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:55 PM
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The opening post doesn't mention "Socialism" either.

He mentions "Liberals".

I say all the problems of illegal migration to the U.S. today is caused by Left Wing policies in the countries of origin.

I see this topic is really striking some nerves !!!!!



posted on Mar, 19 2016 @ 05:58 PM
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Sweden has some recent immigrant problems too.

I have no idea why Left Wing systems in the Americas haven't adopted the Sweden model of Fabian Socialism.




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