Pay for your own wall!

Nice and short - you notice how all of these people get bent out of shape regarding socialism?

Ah, isn't it also funny how many of the folks who are disagreement with socialism want someone else to pay for their wall?

A friend of mine and I were discussing this last night and I thought it was hilarious - and yet so true.

You want to build a wall to keep illegals out, yet you want someone else to pay for it!

Pay for your own damn wall you lazy moochers!

a reply to: RomeByFire


If your dogs keep leaving your property, it is your responsibility to build a fence and pay for it.


If mexican citizens keep leaving your #-hole country of mexico (and all other socialist/communist central america) and enter the USA illegally, it is the Mexican government's responsibility to build a fence and pay for it.

You wont be the only country forced to build a wall... If Scotland and Wales decide to remain in the EU, they will pay for a wall at their boarders also.

I can't wait to see how the Rio Grande is handled in this wall deal. The USA and Mexico share rights to the water. The river is also part of a national park system. Building a wall in El Paso where the river first touches Mexican soil will basically flood Texas and Arizona and deprive even most of southern Texas the water. But skipping that and just building on the Mexican side results in Mexico losing access to the river. The river is a major source of water for farming and irrigation in southern Texas and Chihuahua Mexico. That would be a pretty major foreign relations issue. I don't see Mexico paying for a wall that cuts off its life blood. Unless they agree to build on the US side and cut us off instead.

a reply to: RomeByFire

I am happy to pay for it...you can take my tax money that the Government is wasting killing people and put it to work here in America. So what now?

a reply to: chuckk

I never stated my stance on immigration - and I'm not from Mexico so it is not my country.

Let's not play coy, all the rage nowadays is the "free stuff," argument - yet no point in arguing in comparison to the wall some want for free.

Again - I have not stated my stances on immigration, but let me put it like this; I do not agree with Bernie, and his stances on immigration are not something I can rationally agree with.

Using your logic, would you then stand in support of a foreign nation building a wall to keep illegal immigrants out if say Americans were the illegals? I would normally say that my example is fallacious and represents what a loaded question is, but it still stands to reason.

I am absolutely in support of attacking the problems in immigration, but as Dr. Ron Paul always alluded to - it makes it much more difficult when the U.S. has a high and often unwanted presence in certain ideas that assist in destabilization and in turn exodus - drug cartels and U.S. Government involvement (Fast & Furious) for one.

I just think it's rather ironic, there are some who dread the meme of "free stuffz generation," yet beat their chests to the tune of a free wall - and are often quick to respond with "well it's different."

Hardly - looking at the standard of the U.S. dollar compared to the standard of living/overhead costs/etc etc, one has risen exponentially while the other has declined and stagnated. Although work ethics plays a key role, it is not all about pulling ones-self up by their bootstraps or working hard - the reality in 2016 America is radically different than say 1976 America.

In my opinion, "free education," > "free wall," and when considering the education one must take it into account;

There are already exist PEL grants and other scholarship/tuition/full-ride programs... primarily sports scholarships. No complaints there about paying for kids to go to school to throw a ball to get drafted to the Panthers. And at the end of the day, why oppose educating potential generations of Americans? Why is education being viewed so poorly? Do I truly need to waste my time linking the statistics to show how far behind the U.S. is in literacy as well as mathematics/sciences? Why is improving this viewed as such a negative burden upon society?

And again - I am in favor of immigration reform, but at the end of the day, leaving young adults who graduate college with absurd amounts of debt that often range into the tens of thousands of dollars seems rife with corruption and simply wrong in my opinion.

All I'm implying with my OP - let's not play coy, wanting to have a wall built for free (someone else paying for it) is not that much different than wanting to have college tuition for free (someone else paying for it).

I'm not a Bernie supporter - and I'm not new to the "our government is corrupt," trend that is sweeping the nation, the federal government has done some diabolical things and I do not see myself living in the U.S. for my entire life. Tell me all the gory details of Fred Hampton, Jekyll Island 1913, or Operation Northwoods/Paperclip - I'm not a fan of my government. But I'm also not a supporter of Trump. Hilary is simply out of the question.

My point being - both sides want "free stuff," in reality. I'm simply suggesting to pay for your own wall. Personal responsibility, working hard, doing it yourself, you're entitled to nothing, that kind of stuff.

But I'm not trying to circumvent circular arguments either. I try to see - and laugh - at all sides and the sheer ridiculousness that is portrayed. A divided nation, we all know how well it's done us this far.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: RomeByFire

I am happy to pay for it...you can take my tax money that the Government is wasting killing people and put it to work here in America. So what now?

What now?

Amen. Take the funding away from drone programs, needless military expansions (new toys of war, to sell war) - countless military bases, upkeep of them - and don't get me wrong I understand the need for a military - expose the "CIA black-budget," as they call it so we can see what's going on there, and bring it back home.

While we're at it, bring American employers back within the U.S., outsourcing jobs cannot continue, stop allowing corporations to run rampant with dodging the American-legal tax system, and bring it back home.

And while we're at this, abolish and/or audit the Federal Reserve - and eliminate fractional reserve banking, or at least in the form that perpetuates unsustainable amounts of debt.

Eliminate an over-inflated beaucracy with Omer-inflated beaucrats who have their best interests at the forefront of all they do. Abolish Citizens United and remove "big money," from all election campaigns. Return to an era where substance and logic prevails over cheerleading and propoganda.

I could go on, and on - but the government seems to have a larger agenda than focusing on whatever it is that us mere peons seem to "want."

a reply to: RomeByFire

That is actually a good list.

I still want my wall, though.

originally posted by: RomeByFire


Pay for your own damn wall you lazy moochers!

Actually the plan is to cut off foreign aid and tax the crap out of Mexican economical boosting avenues via "sending money home" and use that money to pay for the wall.

No one is really expecting Mexico to write a check.

a reply to: RomeByFire

Can I ask a question? Will this wall have a walking path?

*americans please stay left, Mexicans please stay right.

a reply to: Metallicus

Metallicus, we are starting to build the wall. Do we have a walking path. Americans stay left, Mexicans stay right.

*i told you they will pay for this wall*mexicans $5.00 (American) *americans $5.00 (peso) no running allowed! Donald your charging the Mexicans too much, YOUR FIRED! GET OUT!

a reply to: RomeByFire

Why do liberals always want to make our country more like the country's illegals run from?

a reply to: chuckk

Does all of that go both ways? Can other countries build a wall to keep America out?

Hypocrites talk about building walls when they're own gov keeps on squatting down where they ain't wanted.

originally posted by: bonesymphony
a reply to: chuckk

Does all of that go both ways? Can other countries build a wall to keep America out?

Hypocrites talk about building walls when they're own gov keeps on squatting down where they ain't wanted.

That's fine with me.

We have a huge country with lots of diversity in both people and terrain. I have no need to go anywhere else because it would take me a lifetime just to discover the country I live in already.

Just a couple of points . Mr.Trump will try to get the Mexicans to pay for this wall. Ok when they come to the bargaining table they might ask for America to pay for the Drug war they are currently in . The drugs are coming to America not Mexico . Mexico isn't where the cartels make their money it is in America. I am sure they would pay for your silly wall if America would pay for the cost of the illegal drugs funneling through their country to America .

point number 2 is little may know their is a wall in the populated areas of the border . Tunnels are dug under it everyday! We do not have enough Border Agents to man the current wall effectively. So just building an unmanned wall is really just making a simple obstacle nothing more . If you look at the Great Wall of China when it was in use every so many miles they had men stationed every so many miles. Is Mr.Trump ready to turn the Border Patrol into a small army of say at least 100,000 men and women. That may be a small number considering the distance and 3 to 4 shifts. If you pay them $40,000 a year on average you are talking about 4 billion dollars to just man the wall each year

3rd point is more illegals left this country then came here last year a little known trend cause "IT IS TOO DAM EXPENSIVE HERE "

Just a few points for all the wall supporters to think on

a reply to: RomeByFire

It works like this. We offset the trade deals with Mexico in our favour. That money will pay for the wall. Why should we have to pay for it?

Double post

originally posted by: bonesymphony
a reply to: chuckk

Does all of that go both ways? Can other countries build a wall to keep America out?

Hypocrites talk about building walls when they're own gov keeps on squatting down where they ain't wanted.

Like where? Almost all foreign U.S. bases are there because the host country WANTS it there.

Ya know, there's always this one neat little conundrum that people keep neglecting to tackle when talking about border walls in the US, be it a Mexican-border wall,or a Canadian-border wall.

How will that impact animal migration? Not everything can just fly over it, so what about the animals that migrate back & forth over the borders depending on the seasons?

Sometimes you have to think a little farther beyond "It's MY dirt on this side! MY dirt! Not yours!"

Well for someone who enjoys sitting on the fence, I have to agree that a fence put up and payed by others is much more comfortable then a fence put up and payed by myself. Well that is as long as it has cushions.

Without soft cushions it is a no deal.