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In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.
Internet troll
originally posted by: Caver78
Of course it's going to get controversial because the people who do it will either be uncomfortable you've pointed it out, or give you reasons why it's mature responsible behavior ( which it isn't).
Next up it'll be pointed out you don't have to read things that you don't like.
While I agree with there is something to be said for that, having to skim 50% of posts like cliff notes gets old.
originally posted by: Profusion
Do you consider fallacies of irrelevance as replies to be trolling?
2. Do posters replying with fallacies of irrelevance have "the deliberate intent of...disrupting normal on-topic discussion"?
originally posted by: Gothmog
Irrelevance and Truth are both in the eyes of the beholder....nowdays. Its a believe what you want to believe and you can back anything up with a mere Google search world.
We live in interesting times. Check the meaning of that statement (alleged) in Chinese.
originally posted by: Profusion
My personal belief is that replying to someone using a fallacy of irrelevance qualifies as trolling according to the definition above. Why? Well, the posts often upset me because they dilute discussions and sometimes send them off on a tangent. That's certainly sowing discord in my book. There are some other criteria that must be met in order to call using fallacies of irrelevance "trolling":
May I suggest that your view is a little tough for this reason.
You assume that respondents to your posts have a good knowledge of fallacies of irrelevance when in all likelyhood its it a very big presumption to make as I suggest that most people wont much knowledge of fallacies of irrelevance.
In recent years there has been a number of threads on ATS on various type of fallacies. Its a very big ask to expect most people who post on ATS to have a good working knowledge of all the various types of fallacies.
Many of us are highly likely to be guilty of using a communication fallacy of one kind or another a good deal of the time.
Perhaps you might like to consider reconsidering your view in view of the above comments.
While I have no evidence of this at all, I suspect that your real concern is with the trolls as they seem to use such fallacies quite openly and that is where your comments are aimed.
To whatever extent my suspicion is correct, I agree and its these people the mods should focus on as its fairly easy for the mods to recognise trolling for what it is when they see it.
I have been dealing with some of them in some recent replies to a thread. I am not an expert in recognising trolls by any means but in some cases it sticks out like a dogs nuts.
originally posted by: Profusion
My personal belief is that replying to someone using a fallacy of irrelevance qualifies as trolling according to the definition above.
originally posted by: spygeek
originally posted by: Profusion
My personal belief is that replying to someone using a fallacy of irrelevance qualifies as trolling according to the definition above.
I disagree, because it does not make sense. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense. Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense. THINK ABOUT IT. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, which he does, completely nonsensically, then you must accept that the fallacy of irrelevance is not a fallacy at all, that it is relevant, and that anyone employing the use of it is not a troll; they are making a substantial and justified contribution to the thread.
I rest my case.
To the OP, if it's done intentionally, then yes it's trolling. If not, it's sheer ignorance. That's the simple answer.