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Leaving the Conservative movement after decades....

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posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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First, I left the Democrats during the Reagan era. Became more and more a Republican, slowly became frustrated over the years with that organization and moved further right, generally supporting the Tea Party. ( I had a hard time relating to Libertarians. It's hard to talk to people who have a buzz on.)

Now I'm in Trump's camp. Don't even know what to call it. The none of the above party?? The middle finger salute group?? Trumpettes? Trumpeters?

Leaving the conservative movement largely due to the betrayal by it's leaders for their personal gain, I retain SOME of the purported 'values' used to ensnare us.

I leave behind the obvious flaws, first and foremost, "Free Trade". It's a fraud. It doesn't work to anyone's benefit other than apolitical Corporate leaders-not all of them- and foreign nations....at our expense. To this day, Rush and the rest of the 'Conservative' pundits promote 'Free Trade' as a mainstay of the Conservative movement. If free trade is fundamental to 'conservatism' I'm done with it.

Like it or not, the new party is forming as we speak. Granted, it's motivated by a bunch of pissed-off people, but sobeit. It needs articulation. It is supported more on the right than the left, but has support across the political spectrum.

Irrespective of whether Trump wins this election or not, the momentum will continue into the next election cycle.

Off the top? I'd say a mixture of both. Social programs work on small scales. State, city and county levels....voted in by their constituents. NOT imposed on those states where they do not desire those solutions. Basic education, local services, hospital, police, infrastructure....all are social solutions....and more importantly, workable. A basic tenet of the my version of Conservatism has been "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Guess what regional socialism worked, therefore I call label it as a conservative tenet!

National socialism? Garbage! It's a tough call to label which is the worse, national socialism or 'free trade'??? (Yes, both likely source from the same people, but that doesn't really matter at this point.) Intellectually nuking both is paramount to this new group/party.

Naming this movement isn't important at this point and we will not agree on everything. The idea fight will have to be borne.

No doubt, the screaming, hair-pulling will follow this thread. All the reasons 'why not'. Too bad. This movement will not go away. As the attacks increase from the Establishment right to the belated entry by the protest mechanism/industry, increasing the pressure has resulted in increased support! Based on this, I step out and say OK. Get' er done.

Some restraint would be appreciated....thoughts?


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posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:19 PM
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Hey man we havent seen eye to eye on alot of topics, but damn dude good job on sharing with us what youve learned from the past.

Good on you, here a drink on me



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker




Now I'm in Trump's camp. Don't even know what to call it. The none of the above party?? The middle finger salute group?? Trumpettes? Trumpeters?



Trump calls himself a Common Sense Conservative. I like that. Sounds better than "the middle finger salute group".



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:29 PM
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Respectful post Trucker. My hope is that people quit moving farther to the right and farther to the left and quit the two parties that only have this as a future. We need a new party, or two, or three that allows for people of conservative notions to converse and find common ground with people of liberal persuasion.

Though I do not support Mr. Trump, I do applaud the effect his candidacy is having on the status quo of political power. Hopefully disaffected citizens of differing political stances will be able to form these new parties in the wake of Trumps current adventures.

What I would like to see is Trump jettison the Republican Party and Bernie carry on and both venture into independent runs. Should neither win, the ground might be set for independent voters to organize across the political divide and put up a winning candidate that both liberal and conservative voters could flock to in 2020



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:32 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Hey man we havent seen eye to eye on alot of topics, but damn dude good job on sharing with us what youve learned from the past.

Good on you, here a drink on me



I will tip a Labatt's. Thank you, sir...



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: nwtrucker




Now I'm in Trump's camp. Don't even know what to call it. The none of the above party?? The middle finger salute group?? Trumpettes? Trumpeters?



Trump calls himself a Common Sense Conservative. I like that. Sounds better than "the middle finger salute group".


LOL. Your right.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

History says you correct. When the U.S. was in it's hey day, these extremes didn't dominate.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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First of all: I'm with you.

I think TPTB have felt this coming for a long time. Ron Paul brought a lot of frustration to the surface that gelled into anger.

But Donald Trump? Donald Trump is a plant.

The country hasn't seen a 'true' conservative in office since a long damn time ago. They're no better off than the Democrats ... unless you realize that the Republicans are actually the Democrats, but haven't the goat-sense to see it. Donald Trump is Not a conservative. He's a wannabe businessman who's been clearly pegged in bed with the Clintons.

And you look at Hillary. You can tell she's a commie just by looking at the attire she chooses to nance about in.

Nothing's the truth in American politics. Because when the truth comes'a knocking, it's gonna be followed up by a bunch of angry white dudes mowing down everything in front of them.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: Snarl


I didn't agree with all of Ron Paul's view, but his financial acumen resonated with me.


I give Trump a mulligan on his donations to Hillary. In those days, Hillary was the U.S. Senator from N.Y. and you damn well better pay that N.Y. mechanism if you want to get rubber-stamped into the winning companies. He's admitted that was his motivation at the time. I suspect your views of him being a plant will be dispelled if and when the two go head to head in a debate forum....at least, that is my hope.

P.S. If you are right on Trump being a plant, it will prove out and that momentum will carry on without him.....


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posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
that momentum will carry on without him.....


It got close ... really close. Remember when they shut down the memorials in D.C.?

People on both sides were loading magazines. TPTB backed way way down to keep the lid on. Caused it to only be a ripple. If they can get Trump out in front, he's good enough to postpone ... and stop a mountain from growing out of the molehill.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: Snarl

Trump is either the real deal or this is the best play ever being put on globally.

I'm not sure which way my mind goes on it honestly. It seems awfully big to be a conspiracy which is what it would have to be at this point in order to be fooling the country. This is global in scale, not just national, with every country in the world beginning to panic over it. I'm waiting for the hand to be tipped to reveal the scam, but it hasn't happened yet.

I do know he's not the anti-Christ, not popular enough.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
I do know he's not the anti-Christ, not popular enough.

ROFL

If that's not worth 'member applause' ...



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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Trump is a populist,and thats ok.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

About the only thing the conservative movement and I agree on are taxes and Obamacare.

Conservatives getting worked up over gay marriage, abortion, legalizing pot need to just accept the fact that times change and individuals are and should be free to do what they want, when they want to, with whom they want to do it with.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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I went Obama his first term as a person who didn't think of war as a permanent fixture, thinking he could fix it. Younger voters and kids now think war os just part of life. I was locked in my classroom in NY when 9/11 happened but for whatever reason my class was in the computer lab that day so we knew. I was angry about the deceit that led us into so much more turmoil. Obama was a fraud. I voted Gary Johnson the next election because I couldn't stomach either candidate...... More of the same. I'm going Trump. I don't like him, never watched his show, but if he's serious how much worse can he do? I agree with a lot of what he says and he's right, continuing on the same path is suicide. Maybe he's insane and gets us there quicker but I already know what I'm getting from Hillary, especially being from N.Y.
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posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker

About the only thing the conservative movement and I agree on are taxes and Obamacare.

Conservatives getting worked up over gay marriage, abortion, legalizing pot need to just accept the fact that times change and individuals are and should be free to do what they want, when they want to, with whom they want to do it with.


The irony in this is the more one 'agrees' with conservative tenets, the greater the sense of betrayal by the leadership and, therefore, the bigger the backlash will inevitably be. Ride it.....



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: EightTF3
I went Obama his first term as a person who didn't think of war as a permanent fixture, thinking he could fix it. Younger voters and kids now think war os just part of life. I was locked in my classroom in NY when 9/11 happened but for whatever reason my class was in the computer lab that day so we knew. I was angry about the deceit that led us into so much more turmoil. Obama was a fraud. I voted Gary Johnson the next election because I couldn't stomach either candidate...... More of the same. I'm going Trump. I don't like him, never watched his show, but if he's serious how much worse can he do? I agree with a lot of what he says and he's right, continuing on the same path is suicide. Maybe he's insane and gets us there quicker but I already know what I'm getting from Hillary, especially being from N.Y.


The disaffection with the current lot in Washington seems to be starting a trend with that commonality 'trumping' political differences. A major point of overall agreement. A good starting point......
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posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:41 PM
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When you said..." I had a hard time relating to Libertarians. It's hard to talk to people who have a buzz on"...

I stopped reading. What an insult. The rest of what you have to see does not matter to me.



posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: Blueracer


A partial jest. If it doesn't apply to you, personally, then there's no need to feel insulted....unless you deny that legalizing pot isn't a major factor in that party's support. If that is a major concern with all that's going on in this country....well, they're doing too much and too often.

My real disagreement with Libertarian views is the contradiction between a Lassie Faire attitude towards individual freedoms and somehow assume a pit-bull mentality towards the Constitution in protecting those individual freedoms. Not bloody likely.

Bottom line is the Libertarian philosophy hasn't met with traction with the general population.

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posted on Mar, 18 2016 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
Trump is a populist,and thats ok.


I suppose Reagan was , as well....




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