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Atheist, why are you so offended at anothers display of faith?

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posted on Mar, 20 2016 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by wisvol:
If I believe you don't exist, which I do, I negate the possibilities that you exist and that I don't know whether you exist.


originally posted by ChesterJohn:
Did you know that Buddhism shares this same almost similar view.

Fiddlesticks. Buddhism says nothing of the kind. Buddhism is not shutting your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears and crying 'nyaananananah, you don't exist!' That's American consumer-cult 'Christianity' as dished out by your TV preachers and megachurches. It isn't Buddhism -- and it isn't Christianity either. Some of you wouldn't know Christianity if it was explained to you by St Augustine himself.


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:00 AM
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Some of you wouldn't know Christianity if it was explained to you by St Augustine himself.


Since your contributions so far to the theology forum of ATS consist of rants and quotes from "the selfish gene", and you have a better understanding of Christianity than me, would you explain what you think Christianity is?




That's American consumer-cult 'Christianity' as dished out by your TV preachers and megachurches.


I have TV preachers?
Who are they and how are they mine?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: wisvol


Since your contributions so far to the theology forum of ATS consist of rants and quotes from "the selfish gene", and you have a better understanding of Christianity than me, would you explain what you think Christianity is?

Certainly. Christianity is a religion, with a specific set of beliefs, a cosmology, a moral code, a liturgy, a priesthood and a community of believers. It attained its mature form in the Greek Near East in the third century. It has seen numerous schisms and subdivisions since then. Many of these are mutually incompatible in their attributes, and their respective adherents slaughtered each other enthusiastically until a few years ago, when secular governments finally forced them to stop.

However, we may rest assured that the hiatus is only temporary. Religion, being fundamentally irrational, cannot easily give up its reliance on brutality and coercion to propagate itself. All religion is spread principally by violence; and historically speaking, Christianity is by far the worst offender.


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax

That does explain a lot.




All religion is spread principally by violence;


Your assessment of your degree of proficiency in that area is grossly overestimated however.

Thanks for the effort



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: wisvol


Your assessment of your degree of proficiency in that area is grossly overestimated however.

Where did you read such an assessment? Between the lines?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: wisvol


Since your contributions so far to the theology forum of ATS consist of rants and quotes from "the selfish gene", and you have a better understanding of Christianity than me, would you explain what you think Christianity is?

Certainly. Christianity is a religion, with a specific set of beliefs, a cosmology, a moral code, a liturgy, a priesthood and a community of believers. It attained its mature form in the Greek Near East in the third century. It has seen numerous schisms and subdivisions since then. Many of these are mutually incompatible in their attributes, and their respective adherents slaughtered each other enthusiastically until a few years ago, when secular governments finally forced them to stop.

However, we may rest assured that the hiatus is only temporary. Religion, being fundamentally irrational, cannot easily give up its reliance on brutality and coercion to propagate itself. All religion is spread principally by violence; and historically speajing, Christianity is by far the worst offender.


I gotta say Astyanax. If you were running for president of the US (and if i was American, ans assuming you are american) i would vote for you any day. I always look forward to reading your replies.

Also, i just sent you a private message



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:27 AM
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Where did you read such an assessment?


here:




Some of you wouldn't know Christianity if it was explained to you by St Augustine himself.


To make such a claim, I expect you to know Christianity at least as well as St Augustine himself.
This is why your explanation leaves me wanting.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: Astyanax

That does explain a lot.




All religion is spread principally by violence;


Your assessment of your degree of proficiency in that area is grossly overestimated however.

Thanks for the effort


Its fairly common knowledge that religion and violence go hand in hand mate. Not sure how you can deny that



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: 3danimator2014

The hand that dispenses violence doesn't belong to the religious, but to the profiteers who just as soon use socialism or craniology, mate.

Quite a fundamental distinction to make.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: 3danimator2014

The hand that dispenses violence doesn't belong to the religious, but to the profiteers who just as soon use socialism or craniology, mate.

Quite a fundamental distinction to make.


You don't actually expect us to buy that, do you? Everyone knows the bible is chock full of violence and so is the quran. I cant speak for the Torah, but since its the third of the Abrahamic religions, ill assume it is similar to the other two.

The god described in the bible is a disgusting, ego maniac with the emotional temperament of a teenager. Why anyone would worship that loathsome figure is beyond me. But to each their own i guess. My mother in law who i love very much is very religious and i don't think any less of her for it. She would probably baulk if she knew the extent of my hatred for the filth that is religion though.

Regardless, violence and religion have gone hand in hand for thousands of years, its a teeny bit late to try to distance the religion from its followers.


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:46 AM
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The hand that dispenses violence doesn't belong to the religious, but to the profiteers who just as soon use socialism or craniology, mate.

This is a blatant falsehood. Armies of profiteers? Profiteering religious warriors? Profiteering suicide-bombers?

Was Peter the Hermit a profiteer?


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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Regardless, violence and religion have gone hand in hand for thousands of years, its a teeny bit late to try to distance the religion from its followers.


Followers of religions are less prone to the passions. Followers of god's command (there are only ten) certainly don't participate in oppression as the flag waiving bunch does, even if the flags are crossy or crescenty or what have you.
Differentiating the religious from the power thirsty and their many hands is necessary to an understanding of the history of religion and history in general.



The god described in the bible is a disgusting, ego maniac with the emotional temperament of a teenager.


Your view of the biblical god belongs to you, and if you're more comfortable with another cosmology, you're certainly better off with it.

Unless of course there is truth to the biblical recollection.

Since we're sharing opinions, I like to think the games we play, while they may have serious consequences from the points of views of the characters we create in those contexts, have little bearing on our own sanity or judgement since we can create them at will.




originally posted by: wisvol a reply to: 3danimator2014 The hand that dispenses violence doesn't belong to the religious, but to the profiteers who just as soon use socialism or craniology, mate. Quite a fundamental distinction to make.

You don't actually expect us to believe that, do you?


It's my conclusion of current accounts of "religious" war based on my experience of religious people, and I don't expect you to believe anything, we're not that closely acquainted.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:00 AM
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To make such a claim, I expect you to know Christianity at least as well as St Augustine himself.

Why? Do I have to know as much about luthiery as Stradivarius to recognize a violin when I hear one?

And who is to say that I don't? You? Why?



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:00 AM
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Armies of sheep, lead by profiteers, none of them religious.

When you say blatant falsehood, please refer to a blatant falsehood.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:01 AM
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If you claim that I don't recognize the sound of a Stradivarius, you are indeed expected to be able to recognize one yourself.

If you fail to, you're the kind of person whose usage of words is a waste of breath.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: wisvol

Oh dear. Is that the best you can do? How disappointing.

Have another go. Charity turn.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: wisvol

Who said anything about recognizing the sound of a Stradivarius?

Strike two, as I believe the Americans say.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: Astyanax

You did. Twice, including once in so many words.

It is amusing to determine your patterns of thought.

To a degree, because then I glimpse involuntarily into the world as seen by someone like you.

Carry on, who knows? Maybe your selfish genes will evolve into something nice eventually in a few million years, if you're radioactive enough and assert your superior fitness through what ever it is you think you're doing.

God does have a sense of humour to have made such a world.



posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:26 AM
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You did. Twice, including once in so many words.

I did not. Neither would I, for I don't believe anyone can tell the difference between the sound of a Stradivarius and that of another fine violin.

You seem to have trouble comprehending what you read. Try harder.


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posted on Mar, 21 2016 @ 01:37 AM
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You claim I would not understand Christianity if St Augustine explained it to me.

This only makes sense if you understand St Augustine's view of Christianity.

This sense is corroborated by your later question: " Do I have to know as much about luthiery as Stradivarius to recognize a violin when I hear one? "

Which is a metaphor of your own making comparing St Augustine's theology to Stradivarius' lutherie.

Then you go on insistently about my comprehension of your words, which is a mise en abîme of the first statement, and considering that the way you have described Christianity is not comparable to that of St Augustine, I doubt that further conversation would be fruitful.

However, in the spirit of open discussion, I still read what you post in case there really is something worth knowing somewhere in there.




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