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African American Towns And Businesses The Unknown Story:

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posted on Oct, 28 2016 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: Spider879
During many a discussions both on and off line, I frequently hear the often repeated comment that Blacks.."U.S" ones that is , have no tradition of entrepreneurship or sense of community, that model minorities , including Asians,Caribbeans and Africans are able to make a dollar from a dime after a brief plane ride, that they do not have a history of pulling together , they will look at the conditions many poor Black communities are in and wonder how on earth such communities stagnate, First off there are in fact longstanding successful AA communities that non talked about because it's boring, nothing to see here, no drive bys and gangs, in fact life is rather uneventful, so how do one explain those other communities that people love to get excited about.

In the beginning.


After mass emancipation many Blacks took to the road in one of the most massive internal migration in U.S history, from the agricultural south to the industrialized northeast in the early to mid-twentieth century, others stayed in the South , along the way some stopped and formed largely self sufficient communities, they pooled their resources and employed each other, they set up banks, insurance companies, Law firms, hotels etc, this was more of a necessity than ideas concerning "Race" , because banks rarely lend money to Blacks or insured them, but I am sure some pride came from the fact that they had their own.


Greenwood is a neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As one of the most successful and wealthiest black communities in the United States during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street" until the Tulsa race riot of 1921, in which white residents massacred black residents and razed the neighborhood within hours. The riot was one of the most devastating massacres in the history of U.S. race relations, destroying the once thriving Greenwood community. Within five years after the massacre, surviving residents who chose to remain in Tulsa rebuilt much of the district. They accomplished this despite the opposition of many white Tulsa political and business leaders and punitive rezoning laws enacted to prevent reconstruction.
en.wikipedia.org...



Incidence like the above was to be repeated throughout the United States where ever successful and largely independent Black communities sprang up.
To be cont.


Great OP!! The number of replys says a lot about the state of ATS.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 03:00 AM
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: faithhill
I was working with writecustomessay.com... on my history essay. My topic was about ancient towns, and after I found a lot of additional information so I'm thinking about making it my graduation topic. Do you think there's enough on Africa out there?

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posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 12:51 AM
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Good story.

I dont know if JG Hamilton the "Prince of Darkness" is a good example to hold up tho......
He was charged with producing counterfiet money in Haiti (5000$ quite a lot then)...was sentenced to hang, escaped and ended up fleecing New Yorkers after the great fire of the mid 1800s.....but anyways, hes made a heap o money.....

I wonder if he's related to Lewis Hamilton
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Just a question if any one really knows.....

When did the Black slaves of Africa, taken to the "Plantations" loose their African Names?

I understand all the black "Washingtons" in the US got their name from ol George, who owned lots of slaves, is that how all the other Africans got their names? Patterson, Hamilton etc etc......Not really African names.......

Neither is Nordberg.....
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Sad really, they lost their culture...... why dont current black Americans find a nice African name and change to it?
Mr Ngopoppo, Ms Shakaraka....etc.
Shame they changed to white man names.....


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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:49 AM
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I love how this thread, the most inactive thread, is heavily moderated.

Unreal.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: gort51
The enslaved Africans didn't simply gave-up their names to adopt European names of their oppressors, they were forbidden to use their African names, language and culture was also discouraged under the penalty of severe punishments, and yes a lot of AAs got their last names from Washington being a descendant of one of his slaves or not, but AA naming practices deserve it's own thread, as the process is one of evolution, there are millions of AAs who adopt African names or African sounding names to try and make a conscious connect to their one of their ancestral continent namely Africa..and culture is not entirely lost, because American pop culture which is adapted world wide is largely a by product of African culture repackaged by AAs from Gospel ,Jazz , blues through Rock & roll, R&B, calypso , merengue,Salsa, Reggae,Samba, Hiphop, Zuka etc, not to mention food ,fashion and even the spoken word, our concept of cool is deep in African derived culture, my goodness the quilt culture is steep in African symbolism and graphic arts.
But alas this s not the thread for that.



posted on Dec, 14 2017 @ 12:09 AM
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It's weird that it has mostly stopped happening after integration. Maybe integration hasn't worked out all that well?

Too much of what black people have today in the USA has been offered out of pity. It's always a danger to accept pity. It's never quite as free as it looks. From welfare, to scholarships, to an unofficial (enforced by fear of lawsuit) preference in hiring. The "race card" being offered available as a gambit to get out of difficult situations.

But the outcome of it is people don't want to do business.

Enter into virtually any kind of business relationship with a black person today and you're just asking to get sued, or suffer harm to your public image, or both. Not because they are trying to cheat you. They're not. But because there are so many easy ways for them to do it by accident. There are just too many ways to get branded as a racist. Offering favorable terms is the only way to prove, to the public's satisfaction, that you are not one.

But you don't have to offer favorable terms to Asian, Eastern European, or even Hispanic immigrants. So you have to figure most saavy business people are going to want to do their business with those groups instead.



posted on Dec, 14 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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Too much of what black people have today in the USA has been offered out of pity.


How so? Welfare is based on circumstances. Scholarships are offered to those with talent and no money. All of which is offered to all skin colours.



Enter into virtually any kind of business relationship with a black person today and you're just asking to get sued, or suffer harm to your public image, or both.


Pre-2015, this would be called mindless racism. It's a new dawn and racism is 'fake news.' What you wrote is still prejudiced, negative stereotyping based on superficial 'race' bias.



Not because they are trying to cheat you. They're not. But because there are so many easy ways for them to do it by accident.


Bless their cotton-picking heads. They don't mean no harm, but are just so dumb they can't help it.





There are just too many ways to get branded as a racist.


Does it happen a lot with you? I bet it does.




originally posted by: FelisOrion
I love how this thread, the most inactive thread, is heavily moderated.

Unreal.


Spammers get banned. Thread posters don't want adverts for essay-writing or disc-cleaning apps. No conspiracy.



posted on Dec, 14 2017 @ 01:24 AM
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I hope the pendulum is swinging back to prosperity for Black Americans once again. Something happened in (in the 1970's?) to get too many hooked on the government for support..and other unbecoming activities.



posted on Dec, 14 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
I hope the pendulum is swinging back to prosperity for Black Americans once again. Something happened in (in the 1970's?) to get too many hooked on the government for support..and other unbecoming activities.

Heroin and coc aine flooded much of the AA communities some say by design, however there were always longstanding AA communities, so boring and ordinary that was not worth commenting on.



posted on Dec, 14 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: bloodymarvelous



Too much of what black people have today in the USA has been offered out of pity.


How so? Welfare is based on circumstances. Scholarships are offered to those with talent and no money. All of which is offered to all skin colours.


It is a lot easier to get scholarships if you are black.

However, on the downside, if you live in the ghetto it is difficult to even graduate high school, which would render a college scholarship moot anyway.






Enter into virtually any kind of business relationship with a black person today and you're just asking to get sued, or suffer harm to your public image, or both.


Pre-2015, this would be called mindless racism. It's a new dawn and racism is 'fake news.' What you wrote is still prejudiced, negative stereotyping based on superficial 'race' bias.


I'm not commenting on the personality of black people. I'm commenting on their legal status.

You're easily 10 times more likely to get sued if you pass over a black person for a promotion than you are if you pass over a white person for that same promotion.

The reason is because they would have a case. The equality laws only require care to be taken to ensure fair selection for black people. They don't require similar effort to be taken for white people. If you unfairly discriminate against a white person in order to make extra sure you are respecting the rights of a black person, you can't really be sued for that.

On the surface that seems like it would help black people. But there is a way around it, which is to simply not hire a black person in the first place.

So what it really results in is nobody wanting to hire black people.






Not because they are trying to cheat you. They're not. But because there are so many easy ways for them to do it by accident.


Bless their cotton-picking heads. They don't mean no harm, but are just so dumb they can't help it.



Again, I was trying to make extra clear that I was commenting on their legal status, not their personal intentions.

But apparently I wasn't quite clear enough.






There are just too many ways to get branded as a racist.


Does it happen a lot with you? I bet it does.



Actually .... it really doesn't.

Now... to be honest this could be because I live in a really racist town. In any given setting there are always at least 5 or 6 people in the room who are way more racist than me.

But also I tend to treat black people just like they are well... you know... people. I'm interested in the race question on a statistical level, but I never reduce it to individuals.

Now as for why I can draw the ire of someone like you, I would say that is because there are two kinds of racist.

The first is the classic 1940's racist with a Confederate or Nazi flag, preaching about the sons of Cain and cranium sizes, and etc...

The second is the "champion of social justice", who thinks every black person needs to be cuddled, kissed, and when talking with a black person thinks that they should utter an apology every other sentence.

You'd be surprised how many of those "champions of social justice" haven't overcome their white face blindness, and can't even recognize black people they've met when they see them the next time.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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Perhaps a simpler way to put this.

It looks like the goal of affirmative action was to ensure that black people were treated favorably whenever there was a business transaction with the establishment. That being seen as a good way to help them economically.

However the result has been that the establishment simply doesn't do any business with them. Because business people typically do not like to put themselves in an unfavorable position.

So what we tend to see is a company will hire one or two token black people, just for the PR boost, but then the entire rest of their staff ends up being other ethnicities (usually whatever groups can't sue them if they aren't treated favorably.)

These businesses that the OP is talking about happening in the past probably could be happening again right now, but they won't so long as Affirmative Action and its legacy have anything to say about it.



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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: AnnyKey

Actually I did not know about her, much thanks for increasing my knowledge..



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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Great trip down history lane, we need more of this across many groups. Today I work with a good many non-white professionals and the one thing I see across all of us is ability and attitude overrides all color. I want to work with the best that I can and anyone who uses color as a discrimination is limiting their choices for "The Best", and this works both ways and is not just a white thing.

The black culture in many places today is not good, and I don't think you can blame that on history as much as what directions do Black Americans see today as the path to a better life or success. Too many really, really bad paths out there and it doesn't matter who you are, what color your are, if you go down a few of them then your life will most likely not be very good.


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posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

Somewhere along the times something changed...

What happened?



posted on Jul, 1 2018 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Spider879

Somewhere along the times something changed...

What happened?

I tried to explain the why and how that came to be on pg1, these communities did strived organically, but did not fail organically, however like I said there were always highly successful AA communities that never received much press outside certain AA publications, an interesting book on this written about 20yrs ago called Our kind Of People.
It detailed the lives of the Black Upper Class , who is in and who is out, and it wasn't simply about having money as told through the eyes of an insider .
archive.nytimes.com...
Klik the link for a review.
The softly derisive term "Bougie"
Is often used to describe their culture.



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