Jared the Child Molester Fogle caught an ass-kicking in prison.

a reply to: reldra

18 year old son of religious apartment owners

You were making good points and arguments until you had to include RELIGIOUS apartment owners. It wasn't relevant to the poignant story you were telling. If you really want to learn to influence people in a meaningful way then you need to check your polarizing bias at the door.

That's my 2 cents for you. Use it or toss it I don't care.

a reply to: reldra

Well lets be real, they fail on a daily basis.

originally posted by: smirkley
a reply to: reldra

While I hear, I will never be convinced.

One who has tendencies and dabbles with such stuff only on the internet, studies have shown, often take it to the next level.

And regardless, the industry is supported by such individuals, and the industry cares not for childrens welfare. Just money.

Pigs.

Which studies? Some people come across such content by accident. If they are dumb enough to download it, it is a felony and they should be prosecuted. however, it does not mean they were going to 'do something about it'. On the other side of the coin, you are right. They might, that is why it is a felony. The producers of such face multiple felonies or more than those that download.

a reply to: reldra

Prison is not a place for protection. It is a place for rehabilitation, which more often than not, never happens.

I have no sympathies for Jarad.

a reply to: Sillyosaurus

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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: reldra

18 year old son of religious apartment owners

You were making good points and arguments until you had to include RELIGIOUS apartment owners. It wasn't relevant to the poignant story you were telling. If you really want to learn to influence people in a meaningful way then you need to check your polarizing bias at the door.

That's my 2 cents for you. Use it or toss it I don't care.

In my case, it was relevant. Very relevant. They beat their younger children with belts. Once because they allowed me and another child in to play the Holly Hobbie board game when they were not at home. I watched from a window at ground level, many apartments in Arizona have these windows right at the level of the ground. They were fundamentalists.

The memory of seeing that was worse than what their older son did to me, 100x more. They were my friends.

originally posted by: smirkley
a reply to: reldra

Prison is not a place for protection. It is a place for rehabilitation, which more often than not, never happens.

I have no sympathies for Jarad.

I have no sympathy for him, I have outrage at the employees there. Those guards are supposed to stop that.

In an attempt to soften the stigma of pedophilia, studies have turned as of late to suggest that "not all pedophiles turn to molestation". This is a travesty in my opinion to cause sympathy for those afflicted. "Not all" by no means says "not many".

originally posted by: smirkley
In an attempt to soften the stigma of pedophilia, studies have turned as of late to suggest that "not all pedophiles turn to molestation". This is a travesty in my opinion to cause sympathy for those afflicted. "Not all" by no means says "not many".

It is a mental problem, but also one that causes the person to be put in prison. That doesn't seem like a softening. It seems like go to jail. NOW. Later, the state may try to help you.

a reply to: reldra

You missed the point. First, they didn't beat their children because they were religious they beat them because they were a-holes. Second, I am trying to help you. You could be a much more formidable adversary if you learn to use your words better.

For the record I agree with you. If the girls family beat the crap out of Jared that's one thing that I sort of feel is justified. It us another thing entirely when some random thug uses it as an excuse for violence.

If we are going to put people in custody then we have a responsibility to protect those people while they are a "guest of the state".

a reply to: Lysergic

In prison, pedophiles are despised by many inmates including many hard core murderers. In fact whoever beat up Fogle most likely was by now some of the most well respected inmate in prison.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Maybe he'll commemorate it with a tattoo.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: reldra

You missed the point. First, they didn't beat their children because they were religious they beat them because they were a-holes. Second, I am trying to help you. You could be a much more formidable adversary if you learn to use your words better.

For the record I agree with you. If the girls family beat the crap out of Jared that's one thing that I sort of feel is justified. It us another thing entirely when some random thug uses it for an excuse for violence.

If we are going to put people in custody then we have a responsibility to protect those people while they are a "guest of the state".

you are right about 'in the custody of the state'.

About the people I speak of, you are wrong. They said they did it for religious reasons. There are fundamentalists that will say that is right.

In regard to the parents of Fogle's victims, they didn't do this. Some career criminal did. If the parents did, emotionally it may be justified, but they would end up in the county jail.

I, myself would step back. My daughter was put in one of those 'holds' that were in the news for awhile. An 'aide', really security, slammed her face on the floor. I have the pictures. Just typing about it is difficult. I sued the school system, the lawyer I had didn't think it could 'be litigated without more money'. My mom is an attorney, she was in the hospital at the time. There was so much I 'wanted' to do. So much I thought about doing. I had to step back.

originally posted by: smirkley
In an attempt to soften the stigma of pedophilia, studies have turned as of late to suggest that "not all pedophiles turn to molestation".

Uh, no... It's because those are in fact the statistics.

Do you not realize that educating the public about what actually defines Pedophilia is a good thing? It means that instead of being driven underground where potential urges simply fester and gain momentum, which can turn a person into a predator, these individuals can safely reach for help to prevent such a turn to predation. The lack of education and the instant an absolute hatred of these individuals is actually worsening the situation.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: smirkley
a reply to: reldra

Prison is not a place for protection. It is a place for rehabilitation, which more often than not, never happens.

I have no sympathies for Jarad.

I have no sympathy for him, I have outrage at the employees there. Those guards are supposed to stop that.

Those officers have daughters too. So do I. The sick twisted POS that assaulted my daughter, who was 12 at the time raped her, sodomized her, and then forced her to perform oral sex on her. Then he put a gun to her head and made her believe that he was actually going to shoot her. Then made it seem like he was doing her a favor letting her live. He also raped a 5 year old little autistic boy and bent his arm back so hard that he snapped a bone. If I ever have anything to say about it he will wish he was executed by the state, because I don't care. When he gets out of prisonmy daughter will be a grown woman, and he will know what pain really means.screw you and your bleeding heart nonsense. I hope what happened to mydaughter happens to you.

That is absolutely horrible. I am so sorry for your daughter. I am sorry for how it has affected you. It is not an offense that leads to capitol punishment, though. I am not a bleeding heart. That man should be in prison for life, given the details you gave.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
I hope what happened to mydaughter happens to you.

I had felt sorry for your position (more so your daughters), but why would any person who brings up such horrible actions as a point of immorality actually wish these events on another person, especially over something as meaningless as an opinion that differs?

My empathy for you is gone.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: smirkley
a reply to: reldra

Prison is not a place for protection. It is a place for rehabilitation, which more often than not, never happens.

I have no sympathies for Jarad.

I have no sympathy for him, I have outrage at the employees there. Those guards are supposed to stop that.

I hope what happened to mydaughter happens to you.

Really?
I hope you are seeking/receiving therapy because you have a problem.

originally posted by: LysergicIMHAO all pedos should be put to death, there is no cure.

I believe all children should be protected from harm. You are right: paedophilia can't be cured - you are born that way, like some are born gay. If you believe you are somehow superiour to a paedophile because you were born without this peculiar twist, you might just as well say that you are superiour to gay people.

I believe that it is important that society creates an atmosphere in which it becomes possible for them to admit they are - like we created an atmosphere in the 1960s and 1970s in which it became possible for gay people to admit they were without being attacked by others. If you know somebody is a paedophile you can help him or her to lead a life in which children aren't hurt or harmed. Their sexual preference will, of course, remain and instead of trying to "cure" it we should try to find ways in which they can be sexually active without hurting children. This is of course very difficult - some believe that it might be possible to use surrogates like computer generated realities or CGI porn. We have various sexual preferences that seem "unnatural" and dangerous, e.g. sadism and masochism, but we more or less managed to "integrate" them into society. Not with paedophiles - it is one of the Great Challenges to do.

We should at least keep our own decency and dignity and not lower ourselves to criminal and primitive standards. The entire notion of "having to punish somebody" is primitive - the goal should be to enable a person to live a full life in society. In some cases we don't have any option and should indeed isolate a person from society. But even in prison, a person should be treated with dignity, regardless if he does not treat others like that.

originally posted by: reldra
That is what we do, we imprison those that break the law. We do not beat them.

Hate to say it but, maybe if we did things would be different.

Ever see the guy from Korea (I think it was) who got caned for drinking and driving?
I bet money when you can't sit for a month cause your ass is bleeding you'll think twice before planting it in the drivers seat after a few drinks.

How many times do we hear of constant re-offenders in regards to things like drunk driving, robbery, etc, etc...

For many people spending months or years in jail does nothing. Nothing.
They do their time and after getting out they repeat.

I'm not saying all criminals should be punished this way, but some should. For serious charges or after re-offending, sometimes multiple times.
What's wrong with a 3 strike type of thing where if you continue to re-offend, after the 3rd time instead of doing time you get your lickin or whatever.
Of course guilt must be proven.

Maybe it's time to take the kid gloves off cause for the most part they aren't working. Many prisons are full to capacity and there is no shortage of re-offenders.

As for Jarred, who cares if he got roughed up, he's lucky that's all he got.