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originally posted by: IvyNeptune
a reply to: cfnyaami
Youre clueless if you think I said anywhere that women could not be raped during pregnancy, including labour.
A doctor failing to get consent while trying to deliver your baby is not SEXUAL ASSAULT.
Rape by definition is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent.
key word SEXUAL
So yes if the doctor put his dick or something else inside you with SEXUAL INTENT and not because you are giving birth and the baby comes out of your vagina then yes this is rape. but this is NOT what the women are complaining off.
Your response makes me think that you have no read my post or done any of your own research into the matter im even speaking about
originally posted by: MOMof3
And I am sure they will appreciate the attention. I had no idea.
I had three live births. The only thing I found annoying was I refused all the monitors and they argued with me. But, when I tore them off myself, they backed off.
originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: IvyNeptune
OP, I think you did a good job of trying to be sensitive. I have given birth without pain meds twice, both times in an effort to help my child and to recover more quickly.
1. If you have never given birth to a baby, PLEASE understand that you have no clue regarding the intensity of that experience because it is impossible to describe. Therefore, you do not understand the unique vulnerability of the situation.
2. Medical people are capable of reducing a patient to an objective problem to solve by their protocols verses a human being going through an excruciatingly painful mind altering event. They are taught to be clinical. It can lead to women feeling violated.
3. Medical staff often care more about what makes the birth easy for THEM and not for the woman.
Yes this is traumatic. Some women feel it is a major violation and that is where the word "rape" comes into play. I think they want to get the message across that it felt like a criminal violation to them. It is not technically or legally rape and you do sign off to let them treat you before you go into the situation.
Medicine is still seen as Male Dominated even when an OB-GYN is a woman.
So. They have a point. I think calling it rape is not quite accurate, but a violation of their will and body? Yes. It can be that.
Still, the solution is to make better equipment, better protocols and provide that safe space to do the painful work of "labor."
originally posted by: TrueBrit
To give you some idea of how much of a set of clowns we were dealing with, the fellow who pulled me out of my mothers womb, had set up the forceps incorrectly. They are supposed to cup the skull, like this:
originally posted by: s3cz0ne
From what I understand, and this information is almost four years old, they've actually cut down on cesarians but alot of celebs and rich people are actually able to pre-schedule them as not to have to give natural birth and experience the associated pain(Not to mention possible associated scheduling issues). A very strange society we live in...