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Germany close Embassy in Turkey due to imminent attack. Am I missing something!

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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:20 AM
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I just don't understand what is going through Germany's thought processes right now.

Daily Express are reporting Germany have closec Embassy due to threats of imminent attack. I have verified this before using source and it is correct.

www.express.co.uk...

I understand why Germany have taken this action if they fear imminent attack but then can't get my head round why they are even contemplating doing a deal with Turkey. It said in paper last night Merkel was finalising details yesterday and was looking at giving Turkey visas as early as June.

Does Germany not see how dangerous this deal is for Europe. Turkey seems to be quickly becoming the new terrorist hotspot and Europe are thinking of potentially allowing 70 million plus Turks into Europe, along with Syrian refugees to be selected by Turkey (no doubt Turkey will send the Syrians who are least likely to find employment) and for the privilege EU have to pay billions to Turkey. Its madness and suicide in my opinion. I bet ISIS are already printing off fake visas in readiness to further infiltrate Europe with terror cells. They must be rubbing their hands in glee at the lunancy and naivity.

And why is it Frau Merkel seems able to negotiate all these deals which will impact on all EU Countries, completely unabated. Who gave her the power to do this? I just don't get it. Can anyone enlighten me on what positives there are for you Europe with this deal?




posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:26 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

Anyone notice that since Turkey bought into NATO / US plans for Middle East and creation of ISIS against Assad, they are being drawn into wars and ruin.

That's what happens when you are buddy buddy with Satanists in Pentagon



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:34 AM
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Seems to me world leaders are droning about like freaking mindless zombies doing everything counter to the best interests of their people.

Like setting up a line of dominos just to knock them down.



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:36 AM
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So the Russians pulled out and now the Germans?



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: VanGcouverite
a reply to: anxiouswens

Anyone notice that since Turkey bought into NATO / US plans for Middle East and creation of ISIS against Assad, they are being drawn into wars and ruin.

That's what happens when you are buddy buddy with Satanists in Pentagon


Turkey is not without its own filth. That's for sure.



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:38 AM
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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
So the Russians pulled out and now the Germans?



Getting weird huh?

If two power pieces are removed from center board, when I play, it's because they're in the way of a potential checkmate. Another words they would be exposed if I were to attempt a mate.
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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:51 AM
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Well so far it says British Embassy is still open. It will be interesting to see how that develops. Apparently, for once David Cameron seems to be fighting this and has said he will veto it, but he has been known to do u-turns quite regularly so wont hold my breath.

I just dont get it though if Germany think their Embassy is in danger how much more danger do they think they will be in if they allow potentially millions of Turks in. Don't get me wrong I've got nothing against Turkish people (an ex partner of mine was Turkish) but I am more concerned how terrorism seems to be esculating in the region and the Leader's antics are very suspect.a reply to: Rosinitiate


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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 05:56 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

In order for a globalized governing system to exist, any notion of individual statehood must be abolished. The EU must fail as would the need for US sovereignty. Out of ashes would rise a Phoenix.

The EU in my opinion is inherently flawed by design. Built to fail. Like upgrading to a 300 amp service while keeping the same old knob and tube branch circuits intact. Talk about a fire hazard.

Europe is likely being assimilated for that reason.
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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 06:09 AM
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Turkey is not without its own filth. That's for sure.



Yeah, those Ottomans are a hearty lot. And they're not above doing what they can get away with. What was it...600 years of Islamic domination brought down only when the Powers lost WW1? If you were a Christian you were raped and killed by horny sultans, while the world whistled, and telegraph laid silent.

Hmm. Near the end, a simple journalist, one Theodor Herzl, partied with the sheik, Hamid, making sure there were plenty of hotel rags stuffed under doors and in every crevice, and tried to carve out a Jewish homeland there, in the growing void, while the world whistled, and telegraph lay silent still. It was the next best thing to having, I mean defiling a virgin, I guess. Any and all of 'em. Why simply defile, when you can kill? Good times. A-and they got to keep their flag!

But, take it from Joe Islam. When he heard the caliphate call, for the very first time, he realized there was such a thing
as making sounds to God. And he changed his name, and never looked back.

How could he?


reply to: Rosinitiate

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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 07:05 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

What is happening now in Turkey is the result of "sultan" Erdogan decisions to start war with the kurds on the N-NE of Syria. Now he is having nightmares, because of his decision and innocent people dying. As with the visa requests my latest information is that Turkey needs to fulfill all the circa 72 ? demands for it. All those years Turkey managed to fulfill only 32.

In an article i read it states :

Turkey does not intend to submit a new request to the EU summit on the refugee crisis and it will be difficult, but not impossible, to finalize the agreement, today told Reuters senior Turkish official, who asked not to be named.
If there are new proposals from the European side, Turkey will discuss also noted the official, adding that it should not be permitted in countries, including Cyprus, to impede progress.


The bold part is mine, as i want to make note the contempt that Turkey has for Cyprus and other countries to be able to impose "veto".

Basically, what Turkey wants is the benefits of traveling between EU countries, without the fulfillment of the necessary requirements. My guess would be that EU will gonna try to sugatcoat the visa-requirements, by excluding few of its necessary requirements. Turkey from their side they will try to "Blackmail" EU with the refugee crisis.


Can anyone enlighten me on what positives there are for you Europe with this deal?


None. What you see right now, is again how late EU reacted to a European problem, namely the refugee problem. The problem would have been solved ages ago if all the EU-Countries held their part of the agreements about "relocation of refugees". From all the EU-Countries only few kept their end of the agreement signed about refugee relocation. Among those countries is Germany, Greece, Sweden etc. The agreement was only for those that truly deserves asylum, like those from Syria. Those that can not fulfill the necessary requirements should have been boarded to an airplane and send them back to their countries(i.e. Pakistan, Afghanistan, North-Africans etc.). Further when Greece asked for additional 2000 Frontex personal, to cope with influx of refugees coming from Turkey, Mr. Junker was dreaming from EU-Army that would guard the EU-Borders.


That dream came true in the form of N.A.T.O as that was the idea from Turkey, which Germany agreed to it and that N.A.T.O, patrol runs under German management. Meanwhile Turkey still continues to violate Greek airspace. The truth is that Turkey asked for it, because of the Syria situation(i.e Declaring war on Russia by shooting down their airplane.) which Turkey is currently involved and with Saudi-Arabia at the standby as an ally to Turkey.

Anyway, i think i should stop now, because i will continue to rant and derail the thread.

Regards






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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 07:26 AM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate
The modern empires are no different from the ancient. They use the same tactics for the same end: power.

In particular I am envisioning the Romans and the Assyrians; Caesar sending various Gallic tribes to new areas to disrupt and change them, and various Assyrian kings such as Tiglath Pileser III or Sargon II.

The point of population exchange is threefold:
1) Terror - both natives and settlers fear what is foreign to them
2) Destruction of nationalism - the less culturally unified a group is, the less likely they are to revolt
3) Cheap labour force - exploitation of newcomers with threats of deportation



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 07:35 AM
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a reply to: anxiouswens

Because so little is making any sense whatsoever there is obviously a hidden agenda that the russians are now privy to and they don't want a part of it and importantly aren't prepared to waste Russian lives - hope your'e listening Obama and Cameron.

It truly seems as though our own politicians are working to utterly destroy Europe and take us into civil wars. Despite the cleverly coached so called 'idiot experts' saying how good it all is for us and those representing this organisation and that - all charities for refugees etc. However, we aren't getting the real picture on our tv's about how bitterly immigration is felt by most Europeans, who have had it forced on them without any say whatsoever. Its well possible that the average Turk hasn't been asked about any of this mayhem either but of course is expected, like the rest of us to pay for it.

Turkey could easily erupt into another war zone and I wonder if that's why the Russians have left as they are expecting some form of nuclear fallout. In all of this the most dangerous country Israel is sitting pretty drilling for oil in Syrian lands so none of this bodes well if the Arabs actually wake up. Hopefully it will be enacted out there and not over here.



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 07:41 AM
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Your mindset is the same as mine. The EU have caused this mss. When this first started last year they should have done as advised. by Australia ie turned the boats back. The message would soon have become clear. They should have told Syrian/Iraq refugees that they would only be accepted into Europe by going through correct channels. It was Merkel who opened the floodgates to anybody and anyone. It was clear as daylight last year that most were of African/Pakistan origin just by looking at them. Hungary had done the correct thung last year when they refused to let migrants travel further without registering first. If they had been backed up with that stance many economic migrants would have been sent back at that point but again Germany intervened and told Hungary to let them through and they would take them.

Now the numbers of economic migrants in Europe are so vast it is going to be almost impossible to deport them and they are taking places of genuine refugees. Europe havent got a clue who they have let in. The guy killed yesterday in Brussels when police carried out raid was an illegal immigrant whose only offence was drug related a couple of years back. Question if he was illegal and had been arrested by Police why wasnt he deported? He had an ISIS flag and AK47.

Also yesterday 4 were arrested in France, they were going to carry out an imminent terrorist attack in Paris. Again, AK47's were found!

God knows how many of these AK47's are in Europe. Its all frightening and certainly not going to be made any better doing deals with the likes of Turkey's leader. I think he is an integral part of ISIS network.. a reply to: Seed76


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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 08:04 AM
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I seriously hope you are wrong. Many on here have the wrong impression about me with regards to the refugee crisis. I havent got any problem helping genuine refugees regardless of what their religion is but would prefer them to be the most vulnerable families, sick and elderly as realistically we can't take everyone so should prioritise. I have a problem with the single men or should I say the young and fit because it is very difficult to know if they are jihadists sent by ISIS or innocent, I also believe they should stay in region to help rebuild

My concerns have always been that we are letting ISIS sympathisers in because of the total lack of communication and any reasonable security measures. The fact that airports throughout Europe still check passports etc when people fly in is a complete farce when they are just letting hundreds of thousands walk in freely without any documentation. At best a lot could be criminals escaping prison sentence in their countries and at worst terrorists.

If there was nuclear war in Middle East I would be heartbroken for all the innocent people who just want to live their lives in peace with their families.

Not only are EU leaders letting their own people down with their migration policies but they are also letting the genuine refugees down by not carrying out security checks. If these refugees are running to get away from ISIS etc imagine their dismay to arrive here and find that they are here too.

I hope you ard wrong re nuclear war. Wasnt it that woman called Baba something or other who said Europe would be desolate by end of 2016 referring to some sort of nuclear fallout?.a reply to: Shiloh7



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 08:06 AM
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Is there anyway Europeans could force the EU to allow them to vote on whether they want this continued influx of immigrants?

Shouldn't "they" let the citizens decide this?



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 08:58 AM
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It needs some sort of mass demonstration all over Europe. The problem is any time anyone tries to contest what is happening they are then labelled as far right extremist/nazi/brown shirt then normal citizens such as myself fear joining any of the demonstrations because I am against nazis etc. Then at any demonstrations you also get the so called anti fascists who are supposedly outraged by far right extremism but in fact most are nothing of the sort but are there to cause anarchy and to cause a fight which they can then blame on the far right.

Its very clever when you think about because it stops the main bulk of people stuck in the middle from protesting because they dont want a label, nor to be mixed up in violence.

However, after years of people remaining silent because of reasons above the silent majority do appear to be shrugging off the shouts of racist, xenophobic, bigot etc and making their feelings known by voting for people like Trump, Le Pen, Nigel Farage because their opinions resonate.

Thats why in America you have the sort of scenes seen last week at the Trump rally. The far left are so used to having their voices heard over the majority that they are now spitting their dummies out and stamping their feet because everything they are trying to do such as the name calling etc is no longer working if anything it is making the likes of Trump more popular because people are finally awakening to the tactics used and a backlash is beginning.

I think what we need in Europe and UK is a Womens Movement. Mothers, Grandmas, Daughters, Sisters from every walk of life saying we no longer feel our governments are protecting our families. I thought of getting something like SOS (Sound of Silence) from the Majority trending ie #SOSMajority.

I think that is proabably why Germany have bought in laws so people cant discuss certain topics on Facebook/Twitter etc. It is to stop Europeans from getting together and coming up with a mass movement. However, that is what is needed. I am hoping here in the UK we will make our feelings known by voting to leave EU on 23 June. I believe if we leave many other European Countries will ask for their own referendums.a reply to: angeldoll


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posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 11:17 AM
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EU Economy is in dire need of young workers who will pay tax.

Merkel clearly sees this fact .

Europeans aren't breeding enough in numbers to fill the need.

Hopefully a less xenophopic and more competitive EU has a better chance of being a relevant power centre in the New World Order .



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 11:23 AM
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I am the only Ottoman here on this thread , while I am here I need to say that the absurdities of EU membership has always been understood to be delibrate as to prevent Turks becoming full members of EU .

If such a case to occur then Franco - German Alliance would have lost control of EU and Turks with Brits would have enlarged the union with Ukraine & Georgia & Bosnia & Albania & Moldova .

A larger more effective and competitive EU would have had a greater chance of being the supreme power on earth .

French & Germens don't like it that way ; they rather have a smaller & less influencing EU so that they [ french & german ] axis would be in charge .

If you are having difficulty comprehending these events then stop thinking nations and start thinking corporates .



posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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Yeah right ... as if there was full employment in Europe or elsewhere.

And Mutti Merkel just got a reminder last week-end on how her latest achievements are regarded by her home audience :

German Voters Punish Angela Merkel Over Migrant Policy in State Elections

Who wants NWO here ?

 





posted on Mar, 17 2016 @ 12:10 PM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: 23432

Yeah right ... as if there was full employment in Europe or elsewhere.

And Mutti Merkel just got a reminder last week-end on how her latest achievements are regarded by her home audience :

German Voters Punish Angela Merkel Over Migrant Policy in State Elections

Who wants NWO here ?

 






You want NWO , just don't know it yet .

As for the rest of your post about Merkel's motivations ; I must say that it must be Love .

There , I said it .

Merkel Loves Erdogan .



There use to be full employement in EU ; that's how Gasterbeiter Program came into being .

Despite the racist & religionist & alarmist sound bites ; EU needs young workers and no serious economist disagrees with that little fact .




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