Larry Silverstein designed NEW WTC-7 in April of 2000

a reply to: s3cz0ne

Like the rest of the mainstream western media, the BBC takes its marching orders from government sources, and asks no questions. Thus, on that day the BBC was told by "authorities" (is that an appeal to authority?) that the WTC7 had come down, and dutifully regurgitated it to the public. That is the very essence of the entire 911 Fable--no questions asked.

a reply to: hellobruce

Lol. True.

Honestly Americans had better hope that the OS isnot true... If it is, it is simply a display of how weak we could be as a nation. How many safeguards failed that day?

Basically if Russia had pressed the big red button that day the entirety of the US coasts would have been nuked without so much as a bottle rocket being popped off in return. Seriously, what a god damned joke.

The fact is we are not that weak. EVERY aircraft we have got capable of intercept was busy training off in a far away land. One of the dozens of 'timing coincidences' that took place that day. If you are to believe the OS you had better question the existence of Allah. Seriously, either those hijacker guys had help within the US government or the baby jesus himself was piloting those planes. If everything really did just happen that perfectly for them that day i would say a higher power must have said 'hell yeah.' i hope that is not true.

a reply to: lightedhype

How many safeguards failed that day?

None failed that day.
We had reason to expect people to fly passenger jets into buildings.

Do we have any to prevent people from carrying bombs onto buses?
Do we have any way to prevent ships filled with ammonium nitrate from crashing into New York harbor?

originally posted by: samkent
None failed that day.
We had reason to expect people to fly passenger jets into buildings.

Do we have any to prevent people from carrying bombs onto buses?
Do we have any way to prevent ships filled with ammonium nitrate from crashing into New York harbor?

That is a joke right?

The US military failed in it's most basic responsibilities to protect it's citizens on 9/11 on such a grand scale that, that in itself makes people suspicious.

www.mo911truth.org...

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: samkent
None failed that day.
We had reason to expect people to fly passenger jets into buildings.

Do we have any to prevent people from carrying bombs onto buses?
Do we have any way to prevent ships filled with ammonium nitrate from crashing into New York harbor?

That is a joke right?

The US military failed in it's most basic responsibilities to protect it's citizens on 9/11 on such a grand scale that, that in itself makes people suspicious.

www.mo911truth.org...

YUP! Maybe there wasn't any layered air defenses as I had previously argued. Certainly there were flight plans, radars and if necessary fighter escorts? But no, we should just boil it down to poor communication or incompetence... Or what ever else. I highly doubt the same would have happened in Beijing or Moscow. They don't spend anywhere near the money the US does on military spending. Per capita the Chinese may have an edge according to some articles I've read but I'm not sure and they're not well sources.

originally posted by: s3cz0ne
Certainly there were flight plans, radars and if necessary fighter escorts?

So you think every plane should have a fighter escort....

"On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States.

You clearly have no idea at all!

a reply to: Debunkology


Wow!!..

That is a pretty comprehensive website. I wonder how some of the OS folks here feel about that one...

It might just be me but I have a hard time with someone with questionable qualifications trying to debunk
someone with clearly qualified education in regard to subjects about 911. When someone goes and calls
a registered pilot/architect/engineer/professor a "quack", or "they are just doing it for the money", I have to wonder about their motivation. I am not here to bad mouth anyone, discredit anyone or insult anyone's background or education, I am only here to find answers in my quest for the truth.

I saw something that piqued my interest and have yet to explain it to myself. I saw of photo of cars and such that were
melted in a particular way that made me ask the question, "What happened to the "living beings" that were in the vicinity of those cars when they melted"? There were people that came out of the dust clouds alive, yet cars and
equipment were obliterated...Hmmmmm.....Of course, the minute that Dr. Judy Wood's name comes up in regard to those pictures, it becomes a conspiracy!

Some of it just doesn't make sense.....Maybe we really don't want to know the actual truth.

Larry Silverstein must be a quack cause he's just in it for the money!....lol

a reply to: jabbathehut

nobody is qualified on that website, the owner james fetzer is a philosopher, anti semite and crank.
its just another of his jewsdidit fantasies.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: s3cz0ne
Certainly there were flight plans, radars and if necessary fighter escorts?

So you think every plane should have a fighter escort....

"On any given day, more than 87,000 flights are in the skies in the United States.

You clearly have no idea at all!

I never said that. I was referring to those close to entering or already in restricted airspace. Your version is more plausible; the Pentagon totally unprotected after attacks in NYC and just waiting to get struck. Makes a ton of sense considering all of the US military's resources at the time. Sure. I think perhaps we should agree to disagree. Your version, as I read it, basically says that it wasn't NORAD's job and there is too much air traffic...

originally posted by: s3cz0ne
I was referring to those close to entering or already in restricted airspace.

What restricted airspace are you talking about?

the Pentagon totally unprotected after attacks in NYC and just waiting to get struck.

What did you expect them to do, hide it underground? Have a man on top of it with a shotgun to shoot down planes?

Your version, as I read it, basically says that it wasn't NORAD's job and there is too much air traffic...

Not my version, just the facts!

a reply to: hellobruce

Ha, the facts are just more silly conspiracy theories!

The fact is, why WASN'T more security and restrictions in place around there.

Of course the Russians or anyone else that supposedly wanted to attack would never have struck any of those targets!

The reason no security existed at all around there is because it had been removed just for this event!!

Of course that would be just too much for you to comprehend, as you think it is just ignorance!

a reply to: s3cz0ne

Your version is more plausible; the Pentagon totally unprotected after attacks in NYC and just waiting to get struck.

Are you aware that the Pentagon is LESS than ONE RUNWAY LENGTH from a civilian airport?
And it points right at the Pentagon !
Which civilian airline do you point and shoot at ?

After 15 years they still use that runway.
So please tell us how the military/Norad is protecting the Pentagon from air attacks.

Seems to me that all you need is a young jihadi pilot and a gun.
You are aware that flight crews are allowed guns now ????
One pilot shoots the other as the plane rotates and gains 500 feet in altitude on runway 33.
Then 5 seconds later nose over into the Pentagon.
Who's going to stop them?
These mythic missile's ATS thinks they have?

The conspiracy believers have this belief that the military could have stopped all the threats.
But they are dreaming. It's all fantasy.
When you have people willing to die for their religion, they are going to find weak spots.

Do you believe that our Coast Guard can protect our harbors from ships loaded with fertilizer bombs?
Fantasyland

originally posted by: ParasuvO
The fact is, why WASN'T more security and restrictions in place around there.

Like what exactly? What do you think they should have had in place?

The reason no security existed at all around there is because it had been removed just for this event!!

So please tell us exactly what was removed....

a reply to: Debunkology

Thank you for the link to that website. With all the different groups organized seeking the truth, pilots, architects and engineers, firefighters and more, it seems the only group not organized is milkmen for 911 truth.

They had requested the buildings be demolished several times prior. Perhaps they were getting ready to request again and part of that process is showing the replacements for the site. Seems to be an explanation that fits.

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

That explanation might fit ONLY IF one ignores all the other facts involved.

a reply to: stinkelbaum


Did you actually read his bio page at Wiki?

He has some pretty amazing credentials, but because he mentions "jews", he is immediately cast as
an anti semite and crank? I guess he is just another crazy ex marine with a PHD in history of science..

Do YOU have a WIKI page about your accomplishments?

I don't.....Maybe I should go off on the "Jews" and gain some notoriety around here....lol

It seems to me that "we", as a society, tend to demonize that which we don't understand and we tend to
pour accolades and respect on those that don't deserve it. (as in someone like Hillary Clinton). You have to
remember that there are quite alot of people that find Silverstein a very respected businessman.

When NIST came out with their absolutely ridiculous report on the pancake theory and WTC 7 collapse from one failed column, I had to scratch my head and wonder if there really was someone "higher up" that made phone calls and
told people that, "You must give out false and fabricated information for national security and the good of the
american people".

The old phrase, "I was just doing my job", comes to mind.....

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: s3cz0ne

Your version is more plausible; the Pentagon totally unprotected after attacks in NYC and just waiting to get struck.

Are you aware that the Pentagon is LESS than ONE RUNWAY LENGTH from a civilian airport?
And it points right at the Pentagon !
Which civilian airline do you point and shoot at ?

After 15 years they still use that runway.
So please tell us how the military/Norad is protecting the Pentagon from air attacks.

Seems to me that all you need is a young jihadi pilot and a gun.
You are aware that flight crews are allowed guns now ????
One pilot shoots the other as the plane rotates and gains 500 feet in altitude on runway 33.
Then 5 seconds later nose over into the Pentagon.
Who's going to stop them?
These mythic missile's ATS thinks they have?

The conspiracy believers have this belief that the military could have stopped all the threats.
But they are dreaming. It's all fantasy.
When you have people willing to die for their religion, they are going to find weak spots.

Do you believe that our Coast Guard can protect our harbors from ships loaded with fertilizer bombs?
Fantasyland

You are aware that at 8:54 flight 77 deviated from its planned flight path to LAX and headed towards Washington DC? No red flags there right? Yes we should believe that the nerve center of this nation was entirely vulnerable to this type of attack and that the people responsible for its defense never once envisioned an attack of this nature. I personally have a hard time believing that it was even flight 77 that hit the Pentagon for reasons previously mentioned. Another point is that, according to many experienced pilots, the maneuver that led to the crash would have been extremely difficult for an experienced veteran pilot to pull off. Next to impossible for an amateur. Also why only the grainy surveillance video? Seriously? That's all the Pentagon had in place at the time? No local businesses or government offices? That, if true, which I don't believe it to be, is a sad sad joke. If that is the kind of security and surveillance afforded to the headquarters of the most powerful military in the world they might as well just walked in with a small nuke as if a live person didn't see them that camera doesn't seem to be much of an obstacle. Sorry, not buying it.

EDIT: Our ports are not our nation's Capitol. Big difference. Also, let's for a moment consider it was confusion in the heat of the moment. If you do a little digging you will find that an unprecedented number of drills were occurring that day. Could very easily cause confusion if your stimulation is showing planes hit the WTC. Coincidence? I personally think not.

originally posted by: jabbathehut
a reply to: stinkelbaum


Did you actually read his bio page at Wiki?

He has some pretty amazing credentials, but because he mentions "jews", he is immediately cast as
an anti semite and crank? I guess he is just another crazy ex marine with a PHD in history of science..

Do YOU have a WIKI page about your accomplishments?

I don't.....Maybe I should go off on the "Jews" and gain some notoriety around here....lol

It seems to me that "we", as a society, tend to demonize that which we don't understand and we tend to
pour accolades and respect on those that don't deserve it. (as in someone like Hillary Clinton). You have to
remember that there are quite alot of people that find Silverstein a very respected businessman.

When NIST came out with their absolutely ridiculous report on the pancake theory and WTC 7 collapse from one failed column, I had to scratch my head and wonder if there really was someone "higher up" that made phone calls and
told people that, "You must give out false and fabricated information for national security and the good of the
american people".

The old phrase, "I was just doing my job", comes to mind.....

Hmm... Sounds like Nuremberg; "Just following orders!"