Someone please explain to me, (without vitriol) why Donald Trump is not the biggest psyop in history

Dave, where'd all the stars go? Houston we have a problem.

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: schadenfreude
a reply to: xuenchen

I don't think anyone is fooled by Hillary. I've even read ppl say if Trump is nominated, they'll vote for Hillary just so this country will burn down & reset.

Dead serious.

This country will survive a Hillary presidency, but I'm not sure that it'll survive a Trump presidency. Really!

Don't be so sure about that. Trump will surround himself with people that know what they're doing to try to make this country better. Hillary will surround herself with her CFR buddies who'll help propel us the rest of the way down. Trump lies upfront. Hillary lies in an underhanded, sneaky way. She won't release her paid speeches to Wall Street transcripts because it will show what a fraud she truly is.

a reply to: UnBreakable

Trump will surround himself with people that know what they're doing to try to make this country better.

Oh really? That's a lot of blind faith, you got there!

How can you trust the people that Trump trusts, the Devil that you don't know, more that the people that Clinton trusts, the Devil you know?

Once President Trump comes to grips with the reality of having to deal with Congress, he'll calm down a bit, but he'll still be a most effective leader. Trump will make the Republican led Senate/House get off their butts and get something accomplished for this nation, for a change.

If Hillary is elected...things will be no different than they are now...gridlock. But I suppose that's just fine with the Americans who are doing well for themselves.

a reply to: carewemust

i thought "dear leader" couldn't get anything done bc of congress?

Now Trump is gonna magically get crap done HOW?

And have you guys read WHAT he has promised to do?

9/11, wall south of the border.

I'm still waiting for him to promise free porn.

I mean, how can you take these promises seriously?

Who buys this nonsense?

Trump is just doing what he has done multiple times before...

From what I have read the RNC asked him to run because they failed horribly at understanding the discontent in America.

I think the donald has realized if he actually wins... he will be in the ultimate position to make a butt load of cash down the road (which is why he has ever run before) so he has slowly gotten serious after seeing how pathetic the competition is.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: UnBreakable

Trump will surround himself with people that know what they're doing to try to make this country better.

Oh really? That's a lot of blind faith, you got there!

How can you trust the people that Trump trusts, the Devil that you don't know, more that the people that Clinton trusts, the Devil you know?

Because know the type of people (Devils) Hillary trusts, like Huma Abedin . No thanks. I'll take my chances with Trump and the Devils I don't know.

"Hillary aide Huma Abedin was subject of criminal investigation"
nypost.com...

My take is they (TPTB) promised Hillary the next spot after Obama and now they are setting up the stage to deny Hillary her spot, simple politics.

originally posted by: schadenfreude
a reply to: carewemust

i thought "dear leader" couldn't get anything done bc of congress?

Now Trump is gonna magically get crap done HOW?

And have you guys read WHAT he has promised to do?

9/11, wall south of the border.

I'm still waiting for him to promise free porn.

I mean, how can you take these promises seriously?

Who buys this nonsense?

I already get free porn. I'll take the wall.

a reply to: UnBreakable

lol.
2nd.

I think Trump is playing his followers for fools. When he bails on his campaign, It will leave so many people disappointed that they won't bother to vote. And who will this favor?

Another scenario is that Trump will go 3rd party after he loses in a brokered convention, and totally destroy the GOP....

Trump flip/flops so much, how can anyone trust anything he says?

Politics is a game of perception not authenticity; people believe what they wanna believe and completely disregard reality.

Trump is just meat thrown at the hungry wolves to gnaw on.

People are angry, pissed, disenfranchised and desperate for someone to "tell it like it is" and "be different than the usual".

Trump intentionally panders to the stereotypical. It's blatant. It's obvious. He even amuses himself (and no doubt his billionaire buddies) by saying things like how he could shoot people and still win.

I think he's some kind of distraction, part of a divide and conquer agenda.

Trump really has nothing to gain from being POTUS. He could make more money and buy even MORE influence via corporations and lobbying outside of the Oval Office.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

ron paul didn't bring in the viewers tho. the media will pick up whatever gets the most eyes watching.

originally posted by: olaru12
I think Trump is playing his followers for fools. When he bails on his campaign, It will leave so many people disappointed that they won't bother to vote. And who will this favor?

Another scenario is that Trump will go 3rd party after he loses in a brokered convention, and totally destroy the GOP....

Trump flip/flops so much, how can anyone trust anything he says?

Politics is a game of perception not authenticity; people believe what they wanna believe and completely disregard reality.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I cannot agree enough with what you said here..
The media is helping this image he is putting out. They are all working towards the same agenda whatever it may be.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: schadenfreude


they should have Ron Paul'd him and given him no air time.

honestly i get sad reading this. we could have had a real leader in president paul. damn you mass media
!

He doing it so he can have his picture in a history book, and brag about being president, even though people will forget him next week.

Obamas first election might of been one, I mean, you had a white guy, a white woman, and a black guy, and the Illuminati were probably placing bets.

People picked the black guy, so who ever made that phone call, called it. Maybe it was some simulation, analytical, machine they've been designing.

a reply to: Specimen

By definition, if you believe what ppl post about here, the Illuminati don't place "bets". They are the Kingmakers.

Hence, if everyone (conservative, press, libs) hate Trump so much, why they trying so hard to get him elected?

a reply to: schadenfreude

Here's my disclaimer:

I am a liberal progressive (not to be confused with a Democrat) and I have a serious disdain for Trump and more importantly, a great concern about what makes Trump appealing to some of my fellow Americans.

So you have d-bags like McConnel saying if Trump wins "he'll vote for Hillary"

I don't believe Mitch McConell said he'd vote for Hillary. He wouldn't dare.

With that all out of the way, this is my take on the situation and it's necessary to explain some history so this is going to be a little long:

JFK was in my opinion, the real deal when it came to his support for the Civil Rights movement. LBJ on the other hand was known for his fondness of the "n-word" and imo, only reluctantly supported Civil Rights out of political expediency. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed into law in an election year and of course, desegregation was a deeply divisive issue. At the time, the Democrats dominated the South but it should be noted that just like their Southern Republican counterparts, Southern Democrats almost universally opposed the Civil Rights movement. One prominent example would be Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace. You'll see some comparisons between Trump and Wallace's demagoguery. Among other things (like collaborating with the KKK), Wallace popularized (repopularized?) the idea that segregation was a States' Rights issue. On the Republican side, you had an eventual split between the pro-Civil Rights "Rockefeller Republicans" and the "Goldwater Republicans."

In 1964, Arizona Senator Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater was hugely influential within the GOP. Whatever his true reasons (it very well may have been his libertarian ideals), Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He'd supported previous civil rights legislation but his 1964 campaign platform was strongly States' Rights and I suspect that had a lot to do with it. LBJ signed it into law (however reluctantly) and as you can imagine, in the 1964 general election, LBJ garnered the majority of support from black voters as well as pro-civil rights whites. Goldwater lost by a landslide, in fact IIRC, it was the worst defeat in a presidential race to that point. What he did do was win the South, a first for Republicans since the Reconstruction Era. Of course outside of the deep South, the only state he carried was his home state of Arizona.

For brevity, we'll skip a lot including the highly contentious issue of the Vietnam War and fast forward to the 1968 election and the Nixon campaign. This is where what was called the "Southern Strategy" was adopted by the Nixon campaign. In 1970 in a New York Times interview, Nixon adviser Kevin Phillips revealed the following:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that...but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

This really set the stage for our current identity politics pandering from both sides. I'm sure lots of people would disagree with me but so is the nature of partisanship. The Republicans sold out to evangelicals again in the late 70's/early 80's too but that's another thing that would take too long to get into but it's no coincidence that Trump's new favorite book is "the bible" or that the second place candidate is the son of an evangelical hate preacher. I will give Trump credit for managing to walk a line between garnering evangelical support and not resorting to speaking at bigotry fests like Cruz.

This is already longer than I had anticipated so I'll try to wrap it up. The GOP leadership has become aware in recent years, particularly after the election of Obama twice, despite some of the most open identity politicking I can remember (I'm not quite 40 though) — he's a Kenyan Muslim Homosexual who hates white people — that they needed to broaden their appeal.

That is, the white Christian male vote is not enough anymore.

This is after initially throwing all sorts of support at the ultra-nationalist, Koch-created Tea Party only to have the GOP establishment's control over American conservatism challenged. Now it's too late and Trump, being a master of manipulating the public and the media — for some reason PT Barnum comes to mind — and having already earned his chops as a birther, tapped right into the same vein and reached out to those TP voters. It's a little more complicated than ultra-nationalism, bigotry and xenophobia. Taking another page out of the TP playbook, Trump has successfully framed himself as anti-establishment. What kills me is that somehow Rubio and Cruz, both Tea Party backed (particularly Cruz) are in the span of 4-6 years, both "establishment" somehow.

In summation:

The Republicans helped create a monster that instantly turned around and bit them on the hand. They see it as a threat to their continued control primarily and secondarily to their ability to continue winning elections in the face of changing demographics. Donald Trump who I must admire for his savvy as much as I dislike him for everything else, saw an opportunity and grabbed that monster by its leash.

Not to say that Trump supporters concerns are completely unfounded. The employment situation is going to continue to get worse. Blue collar workers are facing a bleak outlook. Terrorism does happen. A lot of particularly white people are feeling like they're being unfairly blamed for continued racial inequality (in my opinion, it's far more about the loss of economic opportunity) and they don't have any organizations dedicated to fighting for their interests. In some ways they're right to feel that way because no amount of not being racist is going to fix in our lifetimes what was broken by the racism of previous generations.

a reply to: schadenfreude

Meh, they are super rich and powerful, and possibly bored with all that free time, its probably friendly competition, I mean we playthings of their will.
I doubt they'd go broke.

O, and Im Canadian btw, like I give crap, I'm just sick Trumps penis being on everyones mouth these days.

Bad and idiotic publicity good publicity.