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Cirrus Clouds, thin and wispy. The most common form of high-level clouds are thin and often wispy cirrus clouds. Typically found at heights greater than 20,000 feet (6,000 meters), cirrus clouds are composed of ice crystals that originate from the freezing of supercooled water droplets. Cirrus generally occur in fair weather and point in the direction of air movement at their elevation.
To answer this question, lets first identify what a contrail is. A contrail is the condensation trail that is left behind by a passing jet plane. Contrails form when hot humid air from jet exhaust mixes with environmental air of low vapor pressure and low temperature. Vapor pressure is just a fancy term for the amount of pressure that is exerted by water vapor itself (as opposed to atmospheric, or barometric, pressure which is due to the weight of the entire atmosphere above you). The mixing occurs directly behind the plane due to the turbulence generated by the engine. If condensation (conversion from a gas to a liquid) occurs, then a contrail becomes visible. Since air temperatures at these high atmospheric levels are very cold (generally colder than -40 F), only a small amount of liquid is necessary for condensation to occur. Water is a normal byproduct of combustion in engines.
Aerosols are minute particles suspended in the atmosphere. When these particles are sufficiently large, we notice their presence as they scatter and absorb sunlight. Their scattering of sunlight can reduce visibility (haze) and redden sunrises and sunsets. Dispersion of volcanic aerosols The dispersal of volcanic aerosols has a drastic effect on Earth's atmosphere. Follow an eruption, large amounts of sulphur dioxide (SO2), hydrochloric acid (HCL) and ash are spewed into Earth's stratosphere. HCL, in most cases, condenses with water vapor and is rained out of the volcanic cloud formation. SO2 from the cloud is transformed into sulphuric acid, H2SO4. The sulphuric acid quickly condenses, producing aersol particles which linger in the atmosphere for long periods of time. The interaction of chemicals on the surface of aerosols, known as heterogeneous chemistry, and the tendency of aerosols to increase levels of chlorine gas react with nitrogen in the stratopshere, is a prime contributor to stratospheric ozone destruction. Credits: NASA Aerosols interact both directly and indirectly with the Earth's radiation budget and climate. As a direct effect, the aerosols scatter sunlight directly back into space. As an indirect effect, aerosols in the lower atmosphere can modify the size of cloud particles, changing how the clouds reflect and absorb sunlight, thereby affecting the Earth's energy budget. Aerosols also can act as sites for chemical reactions to take place (heterogeneous chemistry). The most significant of these reactions are those that lead to the destruction of stratospheric ozone. During winter in the polar regions, aerosols grow to form polar stratospheric clouds. The large surface areas of these cloud particles provide sites for chemical reactions to take place. These reactions lead to the formation of large amounts of reactive chlorine and, ultimately, to the destruction of ozone in the stratosphere. Evidence now exists that shows similar changes in stratospheric ozone concentrations occur after major volcanic eruptions, like Mt. Pinatubo in 1991, where tons of volcanic aerosols are blown into the atmosphere
originally posted by: angryhulk
Those who worry about contrails need to put more focus into the vehicles on the ground, in my opinion.
originally posted by: rickymouse
Technically they are not natural so they can be considered pollution. To say they are not is ignorant.
Visible pollution, reduction of sunlight, those are characteristics of contrails and clouds.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: rickymouse
Technically they are not natural so they can be considered pollution. To say they are not is ignorant.
I sure am glad I put this in the OP.
Visible pollution, reduction of sunlight, those are characteristics of contrails and clouds.
originally posted by: rickymouse
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: rickymouse
Technically they are not natural so they can be considered pollution. To say they are not is ignorant.
I sure am glad I put this in the OP.
Visible pollution, reduction of sunlight, those are characteristics of contrails and clouds.
They are geoeffective if they create clouds. So why do we have to prove they are when it is evident they are.
Initially, scientists thought that contrails, like the naturally occurring cirrus clouds they resemble and sometimes seed, had an overall warming effect. Although contrails clearly reflected incoming sunlight, they also trapped heat from below that would otherwise escape into space. Scientists therefore thought contrails had a net warming effect. Then Sept. 11, 2001 presented a unique opportunity to study what the sky looked like without airplanes and contrails. In the wake of the 9-11 terrorist attacks, the FAA prohibited commercial aviation over the United States for three days. That's when David Travis, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Whitewater, thought to look at how temperatures might differ at temperature stations around the country. He found that [PDF], for those three days, the average range between highs and lows at more than 4,000 weather stations across the US was 1 degree C wider than normal. In other words, contrails seemed to raise nighttime temperatures and lower daytimes ones. But the real effect was in daytime highs, which were much higher. That would seem to indicate that, contrary to prevailing thinking, contrails might have a net cooling effect.
Visible pollution, reduction of sunlight, those are characteristics of contrails and clouds.
originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: network dude
Look at all the Jets in the air at a given moment and try to tell me that there is not some effect they have. They have the ability to initiate change and change causes altered weather patterns to occur. How much has not been evaluated. I am sure they aren't going to research this, people want to keep hopping around on jets going to places they would never drive to.
The overall effect of the airline industry is actually more travel occurring and a net increase on pollution. People would never have the time to go on cruises and go so far away. We got spoiled and net fossil fuels burned are going up even though efficiency is increasing.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: network dude
Visible pollution, reduction of sunlight, those are characteristics of contrails and clouds.
Classifying contrails with "clouds" is misleading. You don't burn jet fuel to get "clouds".
Unless you're trying to down play the environmental consequences of burning millions of tons of jet fuel in the atmosphere.
originally posted by: rickymouse
According to an article I read from NASA, the effect of these Jets overall is warming. They do have some good scientists and good equipment over at NASA so I would tend to believe them on this issue. They have the ability to look directly at the evidence.
A natural thing concentrated too much is not natural.