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It’s just a Democratic Party thing. It’s basically a way to reward Democratic leaders with real influence by giving them their very own delegate to award to a candidate. It’s like an endorsement that counts.
originally posted by: Metallicus
I have been trying to find a good reason that Democrats use these autonomous 'Super-delegates'. I also understand that there are some Super-delegates on the Republican side but they don't have the autonomy that those used by the Democrats do. I realize these are both created layers of complexity used by the two parties, but I don't understand why people stand for this...especially on the Democratic side where they can affect the choice so dramatically.
Could someone explain to me why the Democrat Super-delegates exist? I seems the only purpose for their existence is to subvert he Democratic process. Obviously most of us here would like to see the people decide the election, but only the Democrats have these influential "Super-delegates". It makes me angry as a voter...well, almost everything about American politics make me angry, but why do Democrats take the power from their voters in such a blatant way and why do voters stand for this?
Am I the only one that this makes angry?
Republican National Committeeman Curly Haugland of North Dakota sent a letter on Friday to fellow RNC officials arguing that current party rules allow 2016 Republican National Convention delegates to vote for the presidential candidate of their personal preference during the first round of voting, rather than voting along with the will of voters in their states.
Haughland wrote in a letter published by The Daily Caller that the party’s Rule 38, also called “Unit Rule,” specifically allows Republican convention delegates to vote their conscience in every vote at the convention.
“Every delegate to the 2016 Republican National Convention is a completely free agent, free to vote for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the convention in Cleveland in July. Every delegate is a Superdelegate!” claimed Haughland, who also pointed out that he has “been defending the right of the delegates to the Republican National Convention to vote according to their personal choice in all matters to come before the Republican National Convention, including the vote to nominate the Republican Candidate for President, for several years.”
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Metallicus
I thought you knew that? It was pretty widely circulated that she said that.
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
The Democratic Party has superdelegates, which include elected officials, like members of Congress, and party officials. At the Democratic convention, superdelegates account for twenty percent of overall delegates and are uncommitted and are not bound in any fashion to any one candidate. In other words, they can throw their support to whomever they want at the convention. The Democratic nomination process was altered to include superdelegates in 1984.
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
The Democratic Party has superdelegates, which include elected officials, like members of Congress, and party officials. At the Democratic convention, superdelegates account for twenty percent of overall delegates and are uncommitted and are not bound in any fashion to any one candidate. In other words, they can throw their support to whomever they want at the convention. The Democratic nomination process was altered to include superdelegates in 1984.
Link
It sounds like they can and probably WILL vote for whoever they want and the voter be damned. I asked this question because I was looking at the results of the election today...
Proportionally speaking it isn't working how you think it is...look here...
Clinton Sanders
1,488 704
Pledged delegates 1,021 678
Superdelegates 467 26
originally posted by: EightTF3
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
Yeah, nothing to see here. All above board. It doesn't hurt at all when people look at the delegate count and It looks like Bernie is getting completely smoked by an insurmountable lead. If that where actually the case then don't count them in delegate counts till the convention. 90% of people don't know WTF a super delegate is.
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
The Democratic Party has superdelegates, which include elected officials, like members of Congress, and party officials. At the Democratic convention, superdelegates account for twenty percent of overall delegates and are uncommitted and are not bound in any fashion to any one candidate. In other words, they can throw their support to whomever they want at the convention. The Democratic nomination process was altered to include superdelegates in 1984.
Link
It sounds like they can and probably WILL vote for whoever they want and the voter be damned. I asked this question because I was looking at the results of the election today...
Proportionally speaking it isn't working how you think it is...look here...
Clinton Sanders
1,488 704
Pledged delegates 1,021 678
Superdelegates 467 26
They've never done that though. They back the candidate that eventually wins the primary.
Look at Obama in 08, he was the underdog against Clinton too and defeated her and got the support of the Super delegates and he was a grassroots candidate.
originally posted by: seeker1963
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
The Democratic Party has superdelegates, which include elected officials, like members of Congress, and party officials. At the Democratic convention, superdelegates account for twenty percent of overall delegates and are uncommitted and are not bound in any fashion to any one candidate. In other words, they can throw their support to whomever they want at the convention. The Democratic nomination process was altered to include superdelegates in 1984.
Link
It sounds like they can and probably WILL vote for whoever they want and the voter be damned. I asked this question because I was looking at the results of the election today...
Proportionally speaking it isn't working how you think it is...look here...
Clinton Sanders
1,488 704
Pledged delegates 1,021 678
Superdelegates 467 26
They've never done that though. They back the candidate that eventually wins the primary.
Look at Obama in 08, he was the underdog against Clinton too and defeated her and got the support of the Super delegates and he was a grassroots candidate.
You forget that Obama and Hillary were flown off to Chantilly, VA to the Bilderberg meeting before Obama was "SELECTED"?
We wouldn't have even know about that except for they kept the press on another plane waiting?
Odd how the left hates the 1% but are too stubborn to see how their saviors are just as strung up with puppet strings as the right?
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: seeker1963
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: muse7
So these 400+ people have more power to decide the next President of the United States than the millions of voters?! How does that not make you livid? It makes me so angry I could spit.
No
I said those super delegates would have switched to Sanders if he had won more states. If Sanders miraculously comes back and wins the Democratic nomination then those super delegates would have switched from Clinton to Sanders.
The Democratic Party has superdelegates, which include elected officials, like members of Congress, and party officials. At the Democratic convention, superdelegates account for twenty percent of overall delegates and are uncommitted and are not bound in any fashion to any one candidate. In other words, they can throw their support to whomever they want at the convention. The Democratic nomination process was altered to include superdelegates in 1984.
Link
It sounds like they can and probably WILL vote for whoever they want and the voter be damned. I asked this question because I was looking at the results of the election today...
Proportionally speaking it isn't working how you think it is...look here...
Clinton Sanders
1,488 704
Pledged delegates 1,021 678
Superdelegates 467 26
They've never done that though. They back the candidate that eventually wins the primary.
Look at Obama in 08, he was the underdog against Clinton too and defeated her and got the support of the Super delegates and he was a grassroots candidate.
You forget that Obama and Hillary were flown off to Chantilly, VA to the Bilderberg meeting before Obama was "SELECTED"?
We wouldn't have even know about that except for they kept the press on another plane waiting?
Odd how the left hates the 1% but are too stubborn to see how their saviors are just as strung up with puppet strings as the right?
Yeah dude when all else fails just make up a crazy conspiracy theory!