So Many Conservatives On Social Media Worshiping Reagan Without Knowing He Armed Bin Laden?

There are so many American Conservatives On Social Media Worshiping Reagan, almost everything about him a picture of him smiling, laughing, and a meme.
Yet how many of those Conservatives even know that Ronald Reagan and his administration armed Bin Laden and the Mujahideen of afghanistan? during the 80s the Ronald Reagan administration had being sending Chinese arms to the Mujahideen of afghanistan which they used agaisnt the soviets.

After the cold war in afghanistan, Reagan invited the Mujahideen. There is a video of the meeting.



I am rather surprised that they would worship someone who has armed the Mujahideen and Bin Laden dont they even know?

a reply to: TaleDawn
They defeated the Soviet Union and so Regan had dealt with what was the enemy of the time. As to what became of it later...well it's called blowback.

Oh jeez. Let's see....do you really believe all these decisions made during Reagan's ( or any other recent president's for that matter) administration were his alone, or that he even fully understood the long term ramifications of them? My money is on negative. But believe me, whomever made those decisions knew full well what they were doing. That one act helped put our rival out of business, while simultaneously planting the seeds for a new scourge to sprout. Brilliant!

Of course he did. See Charlie Willsons War. Ron broke the USSR or at least broke it off in them. See he didn't do it all alone.

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a reply to: TaleDawn

I'm not saying he was a bad president either, but he also gave Arms to Iran--Iran Contra Deal. After we already knew Iran was our enemy--we gave, he gave Iran weapons. You see how badly Obama is getting hammered on the nuclear deal with Iran, funnily even though it was an international deal, not just us. Now Imagine for a moment if Obama would have actually made a deal to give Iran actual weapons! Can you imagine the horror and outrage, but because Reagan did it....

If you read evaluations of presidents, Reagan is not that important. He's people popular for some reason, but overrated politically. So is John Kennedy, BTW.

originally posted by: Annee
If you read evaluations of presidents, Reagan is not that important. He's people popular for some reason, but overrated politically. So is John Kennedy, BTW.

By whom are these evaluations made? By what criteria are they judged?

Don't forget he also gave amnesty to illegal immigrants.
Iran -Contra was on his watch, but then again, it was the Iranians that helped him get elected in the first place thanks to Skull and Bones Bush, always there since being the head of the CIA.

Reagan was an opportunist. He ratted out supposed commies and virtually burned his SAG card to do politics. Kind of assholish in that regard. He was always an actor. And it was and still is hard to believe what was an act, what he truly cared for, and what was a really early onset case of Alzheimer's (ahem, Poppy Bush, CIA head during NAM...)

I think he was talked into building more nukes before signing a treaty to do what he really wanted and destroy them.

But then again I could be wrong, never knew the guy.

a reply to: TaleDawn

It's easy to say now, the threat of communism was a farce (because we effectively outspent it and beat it back at every corner of world) truth is, you could just as soon blame Russia, no one knew that arming these people in the fight against communism would usher in an age of extremism unlike ever seen before.

What they did know, is that it was a strategic move minimizing the amount of western lives while also meeting mission objectives. They say hindsight 20/20 often it's hindsight partisan goggles.

Of course this post will be ignored the truth is not what people are in search of, the narrative of the nefarious west is a much more compelling story and one that motivates people to get up and fight right after prime time T.V and that nice western dinner, and before your beautiful wife makes your evening nice. Ra ra America sucks blah blah blah

Just like so many people worship Obama without thinking that he created ISIS.
same shoe different foot.

a reply to: TechniXcality

That's doesn't excuse it though. Especially when we keep doing it and the same result keeps happening. But saying they didn't know that arming these people would eventually result in them using our arms against us later isn't a valid excuse for it. It's their job to know or at least take responsibility for if and when that does happen. You can't just blow it off with well they didn't know what would happen. Well them maybe they should have thought about it some more or came up with something better.

So Many Conservatives On Social Media Worshiping Reagan Without Knowing He Armed Bin Laden?

Now that's a flat out lie.

Operation cyclone began under Carter.

A guy named Charlie Wilson. A democrat is the guy who 'armed' Bin Laden.

Truthfully though.

Western countries right along with Middle Eastern countries Saudi Arabia, and Iran did as well. Also countries like China, and Pakistan.

The Peshwar Seven, and the Tehran eight.

Both armed, and fought to oust Russia from Afghanistan.

ALL easily verifiable.

AQ did not exist until the Soviet withdrawl.

a reply to: mOjOm

And risk a world of United communism threatening nuclear devistation, sorry pal the think tanks considered these things and the cost benefit made sense at the time. Folks like you would complain either way in this day in and age, we fight threats at the time they appear, and our strategic thinking can be limited that's a human phenomenon and not owned souly by the yanks it's called a progress trap. You know what they say right? " the fault finder will find fault even in paradise"

The ISI armed Bin Laden inadvertently, albeit with weapons obtained from the United States and distributed by Hamid Gul.

The TRUTH shall set you free.

On 3 July 1979, Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan

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Wilson is best known for leading Congress into supporting Operation Cyclone, the largest-ever Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) covert operation which, under the Carter and Reagan administration, supplied military equipment including anti-aircraft weapons such as obsolete FIM-43 Redeye MANPADS surface-to-air antiaircraft missiles and paramilitary officers from their Special Activities Division to the Afghan Mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.

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OC was Wilson's baby.

a reply to: TechniXcality

If they f*cked up then they f*cked up. Excusing it with well they didn't know doesn't excuse it.

Just like not knowing where the WMD's were. Or not knowing that planes would be flown into buildings.

I'm not saying mistakes don't happen but they should take responsibility for them when they do and learn something from it. We're still doing it so we obviously haven't learned anything still.

Perhaps arming rouge para military 3rd world countries and terrorists so they'll do our dirty work for us isn't such a good idea after all.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I woudln't say 'inadvertently'.

The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by the regime of Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq in neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1

They knew exactly what they were doing.

The CIA relied on the ISI to train fighters, distribute arms, and channel money. The ISI trained about 83,000 Afghan mujahideen between 1983 and 1997, and dispatched them to Afghanistan.

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In doing so created the Taliban.

The Taliban movement traces its origin to the Pakistani-trained mujahideen in northern Pakistan, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Wh

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Either way events in Afghanistan created the snip show we see today, and there were a lot of cooks in that kitchen.

Not just one.

Yes, Mr. Regan did somethings.

Reagan increased the budget for support of the radical Muslim Mujahidin conducting terrorism against the Afghanistan government to half a billion dollars a year.

Not content with creating a vast terrorist network to harass the Soviets, Reagan then pressured the late King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to match US contributions. He had earlier imposed on Fahd to give money to the Contras in Nicaragua, some of which was used to create rightwing death squads. (Reagan liked to sidestep Congress in creating private terrorist organizations for his foreign policy purposes, which he branded “freedom fighters,” giving terrorists the idea that it was all right to inflict vast damage on civilians in order to achieve their goals). source Fahd was a timid man and resisted Reagan’s instructions briefly, but finally gave in to enormous US pressure. Fahd not only put Saudi government money into the Afghan Mujahideen networks, which trained them in bomb making and guerrilla tactics, but he also instructed the Minister of Intelligence, Turki al-Faisal, to try to raise money from private sources.

Turki al-Faisal checked around and discovered that a young member of the fabulously wealthy Bin Laden construction dynasty, Usama, was committed to Islamic causes. Turki thus gave Usama the task of raising money from Gulf millionaires for the Afghan struggle. This whole effort was undertaken, remember, on Reagan Administration instructions.

Bin Laden not only raised millions for the effort, but helped encourage Arab volunteers to go fight for Reagan against the Soviets and the Afghan communists. The Arab volunteers included people like Ayman al-Zawahiri, a young physician who had been jailed for having been involved in the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar El-Sadat. Bin Laden kept a database of these volunteers. In Arabic the word for base is al-Qaeda.

The list goes on. He was very charismatic though.... Kinda like the Clinton/Seal/Bush, Mena AK airport drug/Contra tsk.. they all have dirt...

Some reading source source

originally posted by: [post=20486105]neo96[/post
I woudln't say 'inadvertently'.

Bin Laden was a minor cog back then, only his friendship with Hamid Gul allowed him to obtain weapons. From everything I have read on the subject the ISI did not have specific plans to feed weapons to him.

a reply to: JHumm

Well from what i have seen Conservatives are on it to because the Conservatives wanted Assad gone to.