Trump stage-rusher: 'Donald Trump is a bully'

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Using my logic? Where did I say that Trump should be indicted? Seriously... And you accuse me of projecting...

You didn't say Trump should be indicted and neither did I!

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: seeker1963

It's so ironic you are saying this while talking about Obama when not a day goes by when Obama isn't blamed for intensifying racial divisiveness in this country and especially on these forums..

This country was already divided to the point of imploding before Trump came around! To blame it on Trump while pushing blame away from those responsible for the violence is either malicious on your intent or just due to cognitive dissonance?

You are responsible for your actions as am I?

What court of law would find it a justifiable defense to say, "Your honor? I beat his ass because he pissed me off?"???????????

The only people pushing blame away are Trump supporters. I at no point forgave any protesters for rushing the stage of Trump rallies.

So if someone says something that provokes you to violence, you have a right to become disruptive and violent?

I never said you did. I just said I knew where the behavior is coming from. Seeing as how pro-Trump assaults are fueled by that same narrative, I don't think you have much room to talk there. Why aren't you denouncing the actions of that man I linked to in a previous post? Or is that ok because they were assaulting Muslims?

You shed away responsibility as a human being and use it as an excuse to behave badly because of someone's word?

I shed responsibility? -I- didn't assault anyone. I'm not responsible for anything. I just said I understand why people are acting the way they are.

Would it be cool if my girl friend or wife said something to offend me and I could retaliate and harm her for it?

Would it be cool if you stopped making strawmans and assumptions out of the things I'm saying?

You're projecting!

I don't believe in harming another human being nor do I support harming anyone unless they are intending to harm me or someone else!

Words, do not give one a right to act out in a violent manner nor disobey the law!

Hate Trump? Fine! Bitch about why you hate him or disagree with him, but supporting those who disrupt the freedom of assembly and speech because "their words are offensive"?

Explain to me how that is not against the 1st amendment!

Like my earlier post, using your logic, Obama should be indicted for the murder of police officers.....

You are the one projecting.

Nowhere has the poster mentioned or insinuated that they are supporters of those you claim them to be.

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Using my logic? Where did I say that Trump should be indicted? Seriously... And you accuse me of projecting...

You didn't say Trump should be indicted and neither did I!

So how is it "using my logic" that Obama should be indicted for divisiveness?

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: seeker1963

It's so ironic you are saying this while talking about Obama when not a day goes by when Obama isn't blamed for intensifying racial divisiveness in this country and especially on these forums..

This country was already divided to the point of imploding before Trump came around! To blame it on Trump while pushing blame away from those responsible for the violence is either malicious on your intent or just due to cognitive dissonance?

You are responsible for your actions as am I?

What court of law would find it a justifiable defense to say, "Your honor? I beat his ass because he pissed me off?"???????????

The only people pushing blame away are Trump supporters. I at no point forgave any protesters for rushing the stage of Trump rallies.

So if someone says something that provokes you to violence, you have a right to become disruptive and violent?

I never said you did. I just said I knew where the behavior is coming from. Seeing as how pro-Trump assaults are fueled by that same narrative, I don't think you have much room to talk there. Why aren't you denouncing the actions of that man I linked to in a previous post? Or is that ok because they were assaulting Muslims?

You shed away responsibility as a human being and use it as an excuse to behave badly because of someone's word?

I shed responsibility? -I- didn't assault anyone. I'm not responsible for anything. I just said I understand why people are acting the way they are.

Would it be cool if my girl friend or wife said something to offend me and I could retaliate and harm her for it?

Would it be cool if you stopped making strawmans and assumptions out of the things I'm saying?

You're projecting!

I don't believe in harming another human being nor do I support harming anyone unless they are intending to harm me or someone else!

Words, do not give one a right to act out in a violent manner nor disobey the law!

Hate Trump? Fine! Bitch about why you hate him or disagree with him, but supporting those who disrupt the freedom of assembly and speech because "their words are offensive"?

Explain to me how that is not against the 1st amendment!

Like my earlier post, using your logic, Obama should be indicted for the murder of police officers.....

You are the one projecting.

Nowhere has the poster mentioned or insinuated that they are supporters of those you claim them to be.

And you haven't provided proof of the statements you made in my first response to you either!

So our your statements rumors or truths?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: seeker1963

It's so ironic you are saying this while talking about Obama when not a day goes by when Obama isn't blamed for intensifying racial divisiveness in this country and especially on these forums..

This country was already divided to the point of imploding before Trump came around! To blame it on Trump while pushing blame away from those responsible for the violence is either malicious on your intent or just due to cognitive dissonance?

You are responsible for your actions as am I?

What court of law would find it a justifiable defense to say, "Your honor? I beat his ass because he pissed me off?"???????????

The only people pushing blame away are Trump supporters. I at no point forgave any protesters for rushing the stage of Trump rallies.

So if someone says something that provokes you to violence, you have a right to become disruptive and violent?

I never said you did. I just said I knew where the behavior is coming from. Seeing as how pro-Trump assaults are fueled by that same narrative, I don't think you have much room to talk there. Why aren't you denouncing the actions of that man I linked to in a previous post? Or is that ok because they were assaulting Muslims?

You shed away responsibility as a human being and use it as an excuse to behave badly because of someone's word?

I shed responsibility? -I- didn't assault anyone. I'm not responsible for anything. I just said I understand why people are acting the way they are.

Would it be cool if my girl friend or wife said something to offend me and I could retaliate and harm her for it?

Would it be cool if you stopped making strawmans and assumptions out of the things I'm saying?

You're projecting!

I don't believe in harming another human being nor do I support harming anyone unless they are intending to harm me or someone else!

Words, do not give one a right to act out in a violent manner nor disobey the law!

Hate Trump? Fine! Bitch about why you hate him or disagree with him, but supporting those who disrupt the freedom of assembly and speech because "their words are offensive"?

Explain to me how that is not against the 1st amendment!

Like my earlier post, using your logic, Obama should be indicted for the murder of police officers.....

You are the one projecting.

Nowhere has the poster mentioned or insinuated that they are supporters of those you claim them to be.

And you haven't provided proof of the statements you made in my first response to you either!

So our your statements rumors or truths?

Officer Ritchie was the officer who consoled the young boy after a man approached him and his father with a sign that read "I'll Haul the Wall," it's currently all over my local FB as well as the Bloomington, IL Police Department FB page.

Here is a link to my friends post who took the picture

He re is this honorable chap

“If you see any somebody throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Just knock the hell out of them…. I’ll pay for the legal fees, I promise.”

“In the good old days, this doesn’t happen because they used to treat them very very rough. And when they protested once, ya know, they would not do it again so easily… they get away with murder because we’ve become weak. We’ve become weak.”

Because protesting = getting away with murder

“Part of the problem, and part of the reason it takes so long is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore, right?… Our country has to toughen up, folks. We have to toughen up. These people are bringing us down, remember that they’re bringing us down… These are not good people. These are not the people that are going to make our country great… these are the people that are destroying our country.”

So, because I don't want to hurt anyone, I'm not tough - I'm bringing us down, I'm not a good person, and I'm destroying this country? And ask anyone, including my girlfriend, I'm really not that nice of a guy - yet I hardly want to "hurt," anyone - I would rather help them.

Here is the man with the "Ill Haul the Wall sign"

And do not misconstrue me - I absolutely support this mans right to protest, however, I call into question his methods in talking to young children. Screaming obscenities isn't the best way to go, in my opinion.

And for good measure, how incompetent are these people, that cannot distinguish between hoax videos and real information? That's our government for you, and the one that so many vehemently support in the form of Trump at the reigns.

And Trump's stance on the internet? You guys are crying about free speech now, just wait.

"We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.” - Donald Trump

Yes, because supporting freedom of speech is foolish, alright.

When is enough, enough?

(And no - I am not a Bernie nor Hilary supporter)

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: awareness10

And it is replies like yours that make me disgusted with American political conversations these days. The bar is so low currently...

Give it a year and a half, politics will no longer be discussed because they will no longer be plastered all over television and played over radio.

The American populace, as a whole, will return to their hibernation for the next four years - until again, the political system is plastered all over the television, and suddenly everyone cares and is an expert in the matter. Everyone whines and complains, "we need to get that bum out of there!," "the government is corrupt and too big," yet at the end of the day - they continue to vote for someone else, for "this time, it'll be different!"

Then once again, the American populace hibernates. Then once the political advertising and glamorization is set, everyone suddenly has an opinion, and man - that guy really messed things up, it's time to get him out of there!

Four years ago, Republicans and Democrats complained about problems and promised solutions that both Republicans and Democrats caused and offered.

Four years before that, Republicans and Democrats complained about problems and promised solutions that...

Four years before that, Republicans and Democrats...

Four year before that,...

"But this time, it'll be different!"

The man who has ties to George Soros and the Clinton Foundation is an "outsider," and is "shaking things up." I'm not buying it.

For those who think the Don is opposed to Hilary, take his word, not mins. He supports her, and democrats.

a reply to: xuenchen

If Trump is not the winner of the GOP it will be fair to say its rigged and if Hillary beats Trump it will be fair to say Trump was an agent that probably owed the Clintonian/Bush neoCONazi (socialist, fascist, communist green party) knowingly or unknowingly.

I know-it is so simple minded it's hard to swallow- That's how dumbed down the majority has become

a reply to: RomeByFire

Thank you for backing your statements up! I haven't seen them, and those who behaved that way are WRONG!


But did Trump say or do those things, or did some disrespectful idiots say and do those things?

I don't approve of that behavior nor would I support it!


I could hate all Black people for the hate I see coming from Black Lives Matter, but I don't! I could hate all Muslims because of ISIS but I don't! I could hate all Christians because of Ted Cruz but I don't!


As I already said, each of us as individuals are responsible for our own actions! No one else made us do that! Would you make fun of a Christian who committed an act of violence and their excuse was "The Devil Made Me Do It?".......I sure as hell would!

Then why is it acceptable to blame Trump for actions of individuals who just so happen to support him?

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: RomeByFire

Thank you for backing your statements up! I haven't seen them, and those who behaved that way are WRONG!


But did Trump say or do those things, or did some disrespectful idiots say and do those things?

I don't approve of that behavior nor would I support it!

Donald Trump Says His Supporters Should 'Hit Back' At Protesters More Often

"It was a guy who was swinging -- was very loud -- and then started swinging at the audience. And you know what? It swung back," Trump said.

"And I thought it was very, very appropriate," he added. "He was swinging. He was hitting people. And the audience hit back. And that's what we need a little bit more of. Now, I'm not talking about just a protestor. This was a guy who should not have been allowed to do what he did. And frankly, if you want to know the truth, the police were very, very restrained."

Straight from the Trumpet's mouth. I see condoning of violence AND the desire to strip protesters of their right to protest in those words.

a reply to: xuenchen

Trump claimed that this guy is a member of ISIS. So yeah, he's a bully and a liar.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: RomeByFire

Thank you for backing your statements up! I haven't seen them, and those who behaved that way are WRONG!


But did Trump say or do those things, or did some disrespectful idiots say and do those things?

I don't approve of that behavior nor would I support it!

Donald Trump Says His Supporters Should 'Hit Back' At Protesters More Often

"It was a guy who was swinging -- was very loud -- and then started swinging at the audience. And you know what? It swung back," Trump said.

"And I thought it was very, very appropriate," he added. "He was swinging. He was hitting people. And the audience hit back. And that's what we need a little bit more of. Now, I'm not talking about just a protestor. This was a guy who should not have been allowed to do what he did. And frankly, if you want to know the truth, the police were very, very restrained."

Straight from the Trumpet's mouth. I see condoning of violence AND the desire to strip protesters of their right to protest in those words.

You have already proven to me that your replies were dishonest and deflections, so I have nothing further to say to you!

Have a nice day!

a reply to: seeker1963

I see. So I'll just take that as affirmation that you are defending violence like you did to me then.

Have a nice day indeed.

a reply to: seeker1963

Trump did in fact do those things - in the case of mocking a disabled reporter.

And his supporters have not helped one bit.

And yes - you're absolutely correct, albeit that SHOULD be common sense. We do not blame all white kids when Adam Lanza happens. We do not blame all black people when MOVE happened. We do not blame all white people for the KKK. We do not blame all Muslims for IS. We do not blame all Christains for Westboro/Crusades.

However - there are always gray areas, and ultimate point being; what exactly is fighting fire with fire going to do?

Do we not already have enough hatred, and divide in this country as it is?

Is a presidential candidate who has continuously stroked these flames for publicility truly what we need as a nation?

I don't blame "Trump," for the actions of his followers yet there is a DISTINCT difference - there are no other presidential candidates that are vocalizing to their followers to INCITE violence, and in one case - promising to pay for the hospital bills!

People talk about censoring free speech, well - there you go! You want to protest Trump, you end up in a hospital - but he will pay for it, and these are sentiments that Donald himself is pandering - and it makes my head spin.

I have to question Trumps motives, it doesn't seem rational, logical, calm, reserved, or signified to incite violence and downright promote within your own demograph.

To all of the conservatives, did Dr. Ron Paul ever partake in rallies such as these when running for president? Absolutely not.

Has this barrel truly been scraped this dry?

originally posted by: RomeByFire
a reply to: seeker1963

Trump did in fact do those things - in the case of mocking a disabled reporter.

And his supporters have not helped one bit.

And yes - you're absolutely correct, albeit that SHOULD be common sense. We do not blame all white kids when Adam Lanza happens. We do not blame all black people when MOVE happened. We do not blame all white people for the KKK. We do not blame all Muslims for IS. We do not blame all Christains for Westboro/Crusades.

However - there are always gray areas, and ultimate point being; what exactly is fighting fire with fire going to do?

Do we not already have enough hatred, and divide in this country as it is?

Is a presidential candidate who has continuously stroked these flames for publicility truly what we need as a nation?

I don't blame "Trump," for the actions of his followers yet there is a DISTINCT difference - there are no other presidential candidates that are vocalizing to their followers to INCITE violence, and in one case - promising to pay for the hospital bills!

People talk about censoring free speech, well - there you go! You want to protest Trump, you end up in a hospital - but he will pay for it, and these are sentiments that Donald himself is pandering - and it makes my head spin.

I have to question Trumps motives, it doesn't seem rational, logical, calm, reserved, or signified to incite violence and downright promote within your own demograph.

To all of the conservatives, did Dr. Ron Paul ever partake in rallies such as these when running for president? Absolutely not.

Has this barrel truly been scraped this dry?

Compared to politicians who stand there and be polite backed by nothing more than empty lies?

That's the beauty of our Republic and our Bill of Rights/Constitution! It gives us all a right to be heard without being imprisoned for our speech and opinions?

All I see are those who hate Trump wanting to trample the rights of others because they disagree with how he speaks or his ideas!

Total opposite of what made us all such opinionated arse holes who become so offended over speech that we want to covertly destroy the actual amendment that gave us all the ability to be arse holes if we so desire?

I can't be offended by the words that come from anyone's mouth, because I know I say things that may offend others? Yet, all I am seeing is a certain "GROUP" who feels their behavior is acceptable no matter how they behave in shutting down the speech of others!

Be careful what you wish for!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The only people pushing blame away are Trump supporters. I at no point forgave any protesters for rushing the stage of Trump rallies. I just understand where those sentiments come from. Trump incited this behavior with his rhetoric that is so celebrated by white America. Y'all are just having trouble accepting that non-white America doesn't like that rhetoric, and unlike in times of old they WILL push back now.

"White America"? "Non-white America"? More specious lines have never been drawn, Krazyshot.

No wonder identity politics has taken a dangerous turn; folks like yourself are inciting the division with falsified racial theorizing.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yea. Let's go with that and pretend like the things I'm talking about aren't happening. It's really my fault for calling attention to it.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The only people pushing blame away are Trump supporters. I at no point forgave any protesters for rushing the stage of Trump rallies. I just understand where those sentiments come from. Trump incited this behavior with his rhetoric that is so celebrated by white America. Y'all are just having trouble accepting that non-white America doesn't like that rhetoric, and unlike in times of old they WILL push back now.

"White America"? "Non-white America"? More specious lines have never been drawn, Krazyshot.

No wonder identity politics has taken a dangerous turn; folks like yourself are inciting the division with falsified racial theorizing.

Marshall Mathers wrote a song called "White America," years before political correctness and identity politics was around.

Does that make him an inciter for falsified racial theorizing, too?