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Is it possible to build a laser that carries mass? Or impossible?

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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 12:08 PM
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Is it possible to build a laser that carries mass?
Then take this laser or mass beam and aim it into space.
Than increase the mass levels of the laser, so that the laser or mass beam begins to hold more mass within its beam.
As you increase the laser energy the beam begins to pull on time space, in the form of a tunnel.

Can you then send objects through or within this beams tunnel generated or the actual mass beam back and forth through time? Why the Mass beams are activated.

Essentially you place matter within the mass beam - reconfigure it so that the particles of matter separate and then set to come back together (somehow maybe boson field needed to retrain -configure particles)? after location reached-quantum sciences required to separate matter bond and then put back together matter in same original bond.

matter bond=any form of matter made of various atom compounds, so biological and structural...

Or as the time space tunnel is generated send objects thru the tunnel within some time warp bubble to hold things within it, in set time why moving thru time space tunnel?

The laser arrays can be on orbit based platforms or land / moon.

Is this possible or impossible ATS?






posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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This comes close:




posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13
Perhaps you could send electrons. This then would be an electric current, Birkeland current.
You would need a magnetic field to carry and accelerate electrons yet there are Plasma Instabilities which would make it difficult to focus or aim in any specific direction. I believe A "firehose instability" is relevant here.

Maybe a laser could create stability. After googling this idea I found Electrolaser. Difficulties would occur when electrons, i.e. mass, reach relativistic speeds. It appears quite possible to send an electric current via a laser. The problem then is how to reconstitute mass from electrons and protons. So far it looks like the best we can do currently is make a weapon.
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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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If you smash two photos together with a high enough energy level you create an electron positron pair.
which is creating mass directly out of energy



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Pretty sure photons have mass anyway. Now for cranking enough juju into the beam!



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13As has been noted by other correspondents to this thread. Photons do have mass.therefore the laser does transmit mass anyway! As for using the Light amplitude means of carrying significant amounts of matter, that may well be unfeasible as the laser is optimised for concentrating light.
We may possibly have to wait for Scotty's energised field matter transmitter to come on line!




posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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Thank you all for the input thus far.

I was considering about 3 to 8 different laser sources all concentrated into a beam. This Mass beam then begins to pull space time towards its center-line as 1 of the 8 or all lasers or a combination of them are activated and sustained and or charged - weakened. You would almost have multiple color lasers that are inserting rays that would equal a certain amount of mass. So for example 1 laser would be a weaker amount of mass generated as opposed to all 8 lasers. These lasers are moving at different speeds, temperatures and frequencies based from different crystal chemical sources. And as you concentrate them they begin to hold detectable mass. This mass is then aimed into space in SAFE SURVEYED DIRECTION. Then activated. Eventually the beam gains enough energy to be equivalent to 1 or more black holes amount of mass using black holes for example but could be multiple neutron stars strong also, just to share large mass objects for ex.

No observe the beam and space around it curve or scroll back from orbit or planet - moon based scopes. Then place designed craft or object with its own manageable mass field in the path near laser but not within laser. The craft or object has to have a stronger field then the lasers in order to prevent the object or craft from being pulled into mass beam (unless that is the way tried). Now craft or object follows laser path inside mass beam tunnel until destination reached, then lasers deactivated. When time to jump back locate mass tunnel await or communicate to activate lasers for time space return. You just time jumped through space.

Following the other way you would convert the object and or craft into particles and then inject them into beam directly and use beam speeds to move through time space. Once destination is found recollect all particles with some boson field that catches you on the other side of location but also configured you upon entering the mass tunnel.

Please excuse if this sounds to outta box, and thanks again for the replies



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
Eventually the beam gains enough energy to be equivalent to 1 or more black holes amount of mass using black holes for example but could be multiple neutron stars strong also, just to share large mass objects for ex.

The 'beam' of a laser is made up of photons travelling at the speed of light; They don't gather in one place.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Acknowledged he photons carry small mass. But can you concentrate a beam that actually builds up mass w/ multiple lasers? Lasers that add magnetism-speed-and somehow increase the beam intensity to where it begins to tug on time space.

It requires a multi petawatt laser producing system, all focusing on a single votrex...
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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Acknowledged he photons carry small mass. But can you concentrate a beam that actually builds up mass w/ multiple lasers? Lasers that add magnetism-speed-and somehow increase the beam intensity to where it begins to tug on time space.
You have several misconceptions.

Misconception: The photons carry small mass
Fact: Photons apparently have no mass as far as we can tell.

Misconception: Photons don't have gravitational attraction
Fact: That's not such a huge misconception because it's what we teach people in school, and the gravitational attraction is so small I don't think it's been measured yet, but it's not zero, and some people think they might be able to measure it, eventually.

This video explains:

Common Physics Misconceptions



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 05:36 PM
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Ancient destructo-beam?

Imagine that all of the damage done to tiwanku stone
blocks was caused by an energy beam, composed of
random sized matter clumps, for example, pieces
of steel ranging in size from a tiny piece to a
maximum of 1/6 meter in diameter, exists inside
the energy beam being explosively propelled by
EM forces, sucking matter from a sink, and ranging
miles, with narrow beams.

Forget rail propelled projectiles all we need is
matter beams for a weapon.

As for stimulated emission of radiation in the
form of lasers, it is not conceivable the light
would have any properties of mass, as light
is massless. But with enough intensity
(photons), the force of gravity might
create mass.



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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 05:52 PM
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The mass of a photon may not only be insignificant because any conclusion that its mass is a fraction; but also because any expression of mass could be "Virtual". Its like suggesting that mass in a photon is equivalent to 0.00000000000000000000001 of the mass of say a proton within the nucleus of an atom.

At least from the scale we are oriented too.

There is currently no such thing as a devise made m=by humans that can measure the mass of a photon. Theoretically modern Physics considers that such an expression as described above, does actually occur.

But mankind does not have the technology to register in some relation to the term "mechanics", such a conclusion in any sense today.
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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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Bose–Einstein model of a photon gas[edit]

Main articles: Bose gas, Bose–Einstein statistics, Spin-statistics theorem and Gas in a box

In 1924, Satyendra Nath Bose derived Planck's law of black-body radiation without using any electromagnetism, but rather by using a modification of coarse-grained counting of phase space.[65] Einstein showed that this modification is equivalent to assuming that photons are rigorously identical and that it implied a "mysterious non-local interaction",[66][67] now understood as the requirement for a symmetric quantum mechanical state. This work led to the concept of coherent states and the development of the laser. In the same papers, Einstein extended Bose's formalism to material particles (bosons) and predicted that they would condense into their lowest quantum state at low enough temperatures; this Bose–Einstein condensation was observed experimentally in 1995.[68] It was later used by Lene Hau to slow, and then completely stop, light in 1999[69] and 2001.[70]

The modern view on this is that photons are, by virtue of their integer spin, bosons (as opposed to fermions with half-integer spin). By the spin-statistics theorem, all bosons obey Bose–Einstein statistics (whereas all fermions obey Fermi–Dirac statistics).[71]


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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The question "can matter exist in solid state with
a laser or can the laser impel it from an
equilibrium state". Firstly, for amplification to
occur pure radiation is used and reflected back
and forth until it emits a directional light.
Secondly, it may be possible to inject some
matter into the path of a powerful laser and
cause the matter to be impacted with force.
It would not be imbedded in the light(laser)
but an outside agent. It might be feasible to
make a system to do it but the matter is
always separate from the radiation(laser).

A laser with a ?(1) MW watts power could
disintegrate a cinder block if aimed
and fired at it.

a reply to: Kashai


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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: Drawsoho


'It might be feasible to make a system to do it but the matter is always separate from the radiation(laser). "

"Is it possible to build a laser that carries mass?"


Can you elaborate?







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posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 10:14 PM
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A powerful laser might pack a punch - say 50kN
impulse force.


a reply to: Kashai



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: Drawsoho
Secondly, it may be possible to inject some
matter into the path of a powerful laser and
cause the matter to be impacted with force.
It would not be imbedded in the light(laser)
but an outside agent.
That's kind of like saying that if your shipping vessel is being attacked by pirates, you can fire your sonic weapons and bullets at them at the same time. Sure you can, but they have nothing to do with each other.

In your example the laser is one thing and something else ("outside agent") is something else so I'm not sure how relevant the outside agent is to the question about lasers.



posted on Mar, 14 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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originally posted by: Drawsoho
Secondly, it may be possible to inject some
matter into the path of a powerful laser and
cause the matter to be impacted with force.
It would not be imbedded in the light(laser)
but an outside agent. It might be feasible to
make a system to do it but the matter is
always separate from the radiation(laser).


Yes this is somewhat closer to what 1 is relaying.
The laser releases and as it is activated it begins to actually gain mass from whatever element material is embedded within its rays that is interacting with the multi laser array.
The actual matter injected may help increase the mass beam, which ever element that would be.

The goal is to somehow bond the laser photons with the condensed photons within the matter injected through some form of radiation conversion. This in-turn is to theoretically help increase the laser mass as the laser photons bond with the once condensed photons from the matter/element injected-embedded.

As the laser mass is increased the mass beam gains mass. As the mass from the laser is gained the time space surrounding the laser will begin to pull inward towards mass beam...
Altering time space near the laser.

The length of time the laser arrays are active depends on how much time space you wish to cross back and forth through.

Now place object or craft near main laser center-line, but not close enough where it is pulled in, to interfere with laser, but where its close enough to ride controlled within the mass tunnel of time space but not far enough away from center-line where object or craft is still in exposure range, but is somewhat lost or suspended in miscalculated time space do to being still in exposure range of laser array but not within calculated range projected.

Aim it in the direction of the nearest say galaxy.

Then-

Assess the amount of energy required for element/material matter input into laser for distance calculated, to allow movement of said amount of weighted materials into region of interest orbit.
Materials = object sent through or craft traveling & crew or droids if early test jumps, going through mass beam tunnel.

This assessment provides distance data of laser and amount of input energy required for laser to travel required distance...
The distance data prevents the laser from coming into direct contact with say another planet - moon or Star (or any interfering matter) in the direction of laser main beam.

Main beam Photonic mass is calculated and evaluated as more matter is injected/embedded and through radiation conversion, photonic bond processes begin to photon bond the matter injected into laser photons.
As this matter (of which ever element is used) is injected into the laser, the laser begins to gain mass.

More elements added more mass-
More laser arrays added coming in-contact with different elements modifies and increases laser mass-
Secondary Electromagnetic forces added, maybe housed within the primary laser components - Activated, increasing speed of photonic bond material movement and adding and or increasing E.M field to array of lasers, increasing main mass beam em fields.

Boson data is primarily configured of object of interest sent through or of Craft traveling within time space mass beam for later reconfiguration
Boson data allows for reconfiguration of particles of object or craft once location of interest is found and laser deactivated, due to separation of particles potentially why in time space mass beam tunnel
Boson field Activated before - during and after travel

Object or craft then enters near beam near professed location.

The other way is to just have all the laser components built into a craft that just shoots the mass beam in its path and jumps in and out of time space randomly within a Boson field


Thanks for all the input added, it helps 1 think



posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 08:08 AM
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It sounds as if the general thing you might be describing is a "particle-beam" or "partcle-beam weapon", one that focuses atomic particles (protons, for example) in a way analogous to how a laser focuses photons.



posted on Mar, 15 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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In a word..no.




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