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Donald Trump Jr. and James Woods Smear Innocent Woman

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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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This came to my attention because a Trump supporting ATSer posted a picture from Twitter and repeated the false claim that a woman photographed in a Trump shirt, giving what appears to be a Nazi salute, was in fact a Bernie Sanders campaign worker named Portia Boulger. Here's the photo in question from the Chicago Tribune's (photo) Twitter feed:



It's unclear who the first person to misidentify the woman in the photo was but The Daily Beast pointed to a couple of early promoters:


Twitter user @new_debis, who uses the hashtag #AlwaysTrump, posted Boulger’s picture. “It appears Portia works for Bernie. Promoting violence at Trump Rally,” she said.

Another user, @brassidio, wrote, “Hitler was a National Socialist. It’s unsurprising to see a Socialist giving a Nazi salute. #PortiaBoulger #trump.”


As we all know, people on Twitter are often stupid and misinformed and not to be taken seriously but this particular disinformation was also promoted by none other than Donald J. Trump Jr. and actor James Woods:




Turns out the woman in the picture is actually Birgitt Peterson, 69, of Yorkville, Illinois, a Trump supporter. Mrs. Peterson confirmed this in an interview with the NY Times:


After the rally was canceled, the Petersons found themselves in the middle of a group of protesters, some of whom they described as “rude.” One was holding a poster with a picture of Adolf Hitler on it.

Ms. Peterson, who was born in West Berlin in 1946 and became an American citizen in 1982, said she took offense to the comparison of Mr. Trump to Hitler.

“They said Trump is a second Hitler,” Ms. Peterson said. “I said do you know what that sign stands for? Do you know who Hitler really was?”

“I make the point that they are demonstrating something they had no knowledge about,” she said. “If you want to do it right, you do it right. You don’t know what you are doing.”

That is when she made the Nazi salute — a gesture that is banned in Germany — as a form of counterprotest. But that is all it was, she said.

“Absolutely I’m not a Nazi, no,” she said. “I’m not one of those.”

Social media on Saturday was inundated with people sharing the photo, as well as the account of Michael Joseph Garza, who said he was the protester in the frame. Mr. Garza, in a Facebook post, said he had attempted to help the couple leave as some in the crowd grew hostile.

“I start to clear the path. I walk right up to her and say, ‘Ma’am we have listened to you. We understand this is all a little wild, but we have cleared a path for you to leave.'”

“My right hand was constantly swinging in motion, showing her the path out we made for her,” Mr. Garza wrote. “She goes, and I quote, ‘Go? Back in my day, you know what we did.'”


Whether or not you believe Mrs. Peterson was simply demonstrating the "proper" Nazi salute to protesters for informational purposes as she claims, the fact remains that a completely uninvolved person was smeared and Donald J. Trump Jr. and James Woods contributed greatly to this libelous campaign. I dare say if the shoe were on the other foot, Donald J. Trump Jr. would follow his father's lead and "sue for lots of money." The younger Trump has since deleted the tweets but it doesn't look like he was very concerned with undoing the damage he contributed to.

Furthermore, Trump supporters have been left believing that a Bernie Sanders campaign worker was caught pretending to be a Trump supporter for disinformation purposes and unfortunately, while the lie spreads fast and far, the truth doesn't quite seem to have the same appeal.

I'll leave you with this little bit of irony. Donald J. Trump Jr. attacking the media for not being as gullible (or deliberately deceptive) as he:



Big surprise Lil Donny — sharing your father's lack of integrity, hypocrisy and unwillingness to own up to your own mistakes, you don't have the depth of character or courage of conviction to even apologize for your misdeeds.
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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian


Doesn't stop Progressives from referring to Trump as Hitler though does it?

You might have made something clear, but you sure as hell didn't make the Progressives and their tactics look any better?



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:22 PM
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And to top off this sundae, isnt Trump the one who made a grandiloquent speech regarding how he would sue people for libel/slander?

Coming from the man who also retweets "information," originating from Neo-Nazi groups (their source was a fabricated government bureau), I don't see how anyone should be surprised.

This clown can't even take on a group of protesters, and people are telling me he is going to "take care of IS?"

As for "the media will never run with this," and I have absolutely NO love and/or respect for the media - of course the media wouldn't run with this. It has absolutely no substance to it, and in fact - the subject matter has been manipulated, altered, and then narrates to push a certain narrative.

I just find it hilariously ironic and downright pathetic that the man who boasts about suing people for libel has no quarrel when his son partakes.

Disinformation, and in this case misinformation - it works.



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian


unfortunately, while the lie spreads fast and far, the truth doesn't quite seem to have the same appeal.


And ain't that the ever lovin truth. So many times I find a thread here on ATS that I think will offer me some sound information and a good discussion on a current topic or event only to find that the 'foam at the mouth' followers of this one or that one so easily jump at things posted that fit their already preconceived notions and take them all on as a case of proof. Small things like the mis-identification of this woman.

Thanks diluvian for bringing this to us but I think it is already too late to set this misconception to bed. Those who want to believe otherwise are in all likelihood, off collecting more disinfo to promote their view of things.



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theantediluvian


Doesn't stop Progressives from referring to Trump as Hitler though does it?

You might have made something clear, but you sure as hell didn't make the Progressives and their tactics look any better?



Trump is definitely using the same populist and nationalist message that Hitler used, right down to the demonization of immigrants.

Can you deny that?


I'm sure you will



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

It was pretty obvious they were two different women. Thanks for posting



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

This is all such ridiculousness. Trump is no more a Hitler than Hillary, or Bernie. James Woods and Don Jr. Didn't smear women, sensationalize much?



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: muse7

Yes I can



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:31 PM
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Interesting that the OP here is attacking Trump Jr for not being honest and a lack of an apology when the supposed Trump supporter herself:




“I make the point that they are demonstrating something they had no knowledge about,” she said. “If you want to do it right, you do it right. You don’t know what you are doing.”

That is when she made the Nazi salute — a gesture that is banned in Germany — as a form of counterprotest. But that is all it was, she said.

“Absolutely I’m not a Nazi, no,” she said. “I’m not one of those.”


Is not a Nazi, yet that's exactly the picture the dishonest media painted and jumped on. The attempt to find out who she is, and while it eventually was figured out she is not a Bernie plant, was in response to the left and the media firstly and originally taking on the role of dishonesty.

The whole reason the media originally jumped on this was to paint Trump as Hitler and attempt to show a supporter here is a Nazi sympathizer.



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Seeker. Hypothetically. What would you have a person do if they really DID believe that Trump was a threat in the manner of Hitler. What would you have them do. Keep quiet like a good little PC'er? And another question. If someone draws the comparison to Hitler, does that necessarily make them a progressive? Cannot conservatives be concerned over Trumps rather provocative announcements of what he will do with power if we give it to him?



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theantediluvian

Doesn't stop Progressives from referring to Trump as Hitler though does it?

You might have made something clear, but you sure as hell didn't make the Progressives and their tactics look any better?


How about your tactics right now in this thread? You're ignoring what you know to be wrong out of a desire to deflect.

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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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So one MSM source conflicts with another MSM source.



I bet the "new" named woman might be for Bernie anyway.

Double-Controlled opposition at work this year.




posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: theantediluvian

This is all such ridiculousness. Trump is no more a Hitler than Hillary, or Bernie. James Woods and Don Jr. Didn't smear women, sensationalize much?


Yes, they did in fact smear a woman. She was not the woman in the picture and yet, they identified her as being the person in the picture and accused her of pretending to be a Trump supporter and throwing up a Nazi salute to disparage "real" Trump supporters in the media.

Your unwillingness to recognize objective reality doesn't make it any less real.
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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: seeker1963

Seeker. Hypothetically. What would you have a person do if they really DID believe that Trump was a threat in the manner of Hitler. What would you have them do. Keep quiet like a good little PC'er? And another question. If someone draws the comparison to Hitler, does that necessarily make them a progressive? Cannot conservatives be concerned over Trumps rather provocative announcements of what he will do with power if we give it to him?



No body gave a damn about Obama and how he further screwed the country after Bush? I have been saying all along that we are behaving like children in grade school, with comments like, "So and so did it so why is it bad now?"! By us being so biased and obsessed we are doing nothing more than creating excuses for behaving badly by who we support politically?

I don't care who in our government is arrested for violating their oath to serve! R or D!

The problem I am seeing in this election is a group of individuals who have decided that a certain group of people who happen to like a certain presidential candidate, should be shut down by any means necessary!

Call it what you will, but we all have a right to be heard and we all have a right to vote for whom ever we wish to vote for! YES! Even Bernie Sanders! Don't like him, won't vote for him, but those who do like him and want to vote for him, have a right to do so! I respect the rights of other to not be so ignorant to trample on their rights by showing up to a political rally to disrupt it!



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
So one MSM source conflicts with another MSM source.



I bet the "new" named woman might be for Bernie anyway.

Double-Controlled opposition at work this year.



That's right. Deny Deny Deny. Then just continue on with the Lie.

Credibility Gone. If you ever had any.



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
So one MSM source conflicts with another MSM source.



I bet the "new" named woman might be for Bernie anyway.

Double-Controlled opposition at work this year.



That's wholly incorrect. The Chicago Tribune tweet says this:

Trump cancels Chicago rally amid security concerns trib.in... #Chicago #DonaldTrump photo by @ejwamb

Her shirt identifies her as a Trump supporter, her own statements to the NY Times identify her a Trump supporter. There's no conflict there. Whatever the intent of her Nazi salute was, it was indeed a Nazi salute and she admitted this fact to the NY Times. As I said in the OP, whether or not you believe her is up to you but the fact remains that she is a Trump supporter and she was photographed giving a Nazi salute.

There's absolutely nothing about what you said that was true.
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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: MysticPearl


Is not a Nazi, yet that's exactly the picture the dishonest media painted and jumped on. The attempt to find out who she is, and while it eventually was figured out she is not a Bernie plant, was in response to the left and the media firstly and originally taking on the role of dishonesty.


So it's okay that they're dishonest because you feel that the Chicago Tribune was dishonest by posting to Twitter a picture of Trump supporter throwing up a Nazi salute without asking her if she was just doing it to demonstrate the proper Nazi salute?

Wouldn't it be easier to just admit you don't care? That you don't care that a woman was defamed by Donald J. Trump Jr. and Trump supporting actor James Woods and you'll say anything to avoid admitting that what they did was wrong?



posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

It was soooo perfectly timed wasn't it.




posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: MysticPearl


Is not a Nazi, yet that's exactly the picture the dishonest media painted and jumped on. The attempt to find out who she is, and while it eventually was figured out she is not a Bernie plant, was in response to the left and the media firstly and originally taking on the role of dishonesty.



Wouldn't it be easier to just admit you don't care? That you don't care that a woman was defamed by Donald J. Trump Jr. and Trump supporting actor James Woods and you'll say anything to avoid admitting that what they did was wrong?

The original defaming was done by the media painting her as a Nazi. Where's your uproar about that?

But you're right, I generally don't care about this, it's just noise in comparison to:

-illegal immigration and the need to protect our borders
-the threat which is Islam
-destabilization of the Middle East
-the economy at large
-our healthcare system
-Big Pharma, its control on politicians
-our educational system
-class warfare and a racist agenda pushed by the left
-special interests/lobbyists and their control of Washington
-the incredibly dishonest and establishment owned MSM at large

These are all issues, far more serious issues at that, which Trump is confronting. So no, I don't really care all that much about this Chicago Tribune vs Trump Jr lack of an apology about such a minor story.

I'll add though, only one outlet in one interview with the woman claimed she is a Trump supporter. If it was in fact a Bernie plant, this is exactly what she'd say. She'd brush off any connection to Bernie. This is the game. This is politics. And in the end, this minimal story doesn't register on the radar of more pressing issues.
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posted on Mar, 13 2016 @ 05:11 PM
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No, they misidentified a woMAN, not woMEN




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