Secular Talk: Trump Goes full Fascist

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

Except that lighning can't strike anywhere at anytime. It can only strike within 25 miles of certain cloud formations.

Good on you sir, you know your atmospheric phenomena alright. Now if you could just address the remaining fact that Muslims are not as big a problem on the majority of the world's population as say, almost any other issue you could pull out of a hat.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Sargeras
The fact is Muslims are a problem for most of the population in earth right now today.

Statistically speaking being struck by lightning is a bigger problem than "muslims".

Except that our country has absolutely no control over lightning entering our country. Radical Muslim Terrorists on the other hand....

EXACTLY!

Lightning can strike anywhere, anytime, without warning; muslims on the other hand...










are statistically less likely to kill you.

Except that lighning can't strike anywhere at anytime. It can only strike within 25 miles of certain cloud formations.

Yes, terrorists are far more mobile and much tougher to protect oneself from, predict, compared to say, not going up on top of a hill in the middle of a storm and sticking a metal stick in the air.

BTW, I tend to disagree that statistically, if you're a woman walking down the street alone in Hamburg, Malmo, Oslo, Munich and a number of other cities across Europe where thousands of Muslim refugees have been accepted, that you have a greater chance of being struck by lightening than having harm done at their hands.

In the northern Swedish town of Ostersund police women has warned not to go after dark alone on the road. Warning cause nine violent robberies in less than three weeks in the city with 45,000 inhabitants, writes British "Telegraph". It is believed that some of the attacks were carried out by foreign offenders. the perpetrators have been described as "foreign-looking".

Since the beginning appeared in Sweden several reports of refugees, the women had sexually harassed. It began when the Swedish police was accused in January to have covered up sexual assaults of refugees on women at a rock festival. Sweden tabloid "Expressen" wrote on Tuesday that women in Sweden have a sense of fear.

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Just one small city in Sweden. Police there aren't warning against getting stuck by lightening.

And this is happening across Europe.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Sargeras
The fact is Muslims are a problem for most of the population in earth right now today.

Statistically speaking being struck by lightning is a bigger problem than "muslims".

Tell that to the vicitms of the San Bernadino shooting.

Tell that victims of the Boston Bombing.

Tell that to the victims of the world Trade center attack in 2001.

Tell that to the victims of the world Trade center attack in 1993.

Tell that to the victims of the USS Cole, and embassy bombings.

Oh wait you can't.

Cause their dead from people calling themselves 'muslim'.

I disgree.

Trumps is 'racist'.

Even though Islam is a religion, and it's learned out of a book.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Sargeras
The fact is Muslims are a problem for most of the population in earth right now today.

Statistically speaking being struck by lightning is a bigger problem than "muslims".

Trumps is 'racist'.

Even though Islam is a religion, and it's learned out of a book.

But I thought Trump was a racist because he's against illegal immigration, even though that's an economic issue and safety issue.

But yes, Islam is more a political structure which governs a followers' way of life and joining and practicing is not dependent on race at all, so racism doesn't apply.

And illegal immigration is an economic issue which can perpetrated by members of any race, so racism doesn't apply there either.

Seems the left just doesn't know what racism is, although I would suggest their white guilt agenda is racist.

a reply to: MysticPearl

But I thought Trump was a racist because he's against illegal immigration, even though that's an economic issue and safety issue.

Like muslim. Illegal immigrant is also learned behavior.

We both know neither is racist.

ILLEGAL immigrant: Someone who thinks they are too good to obey the law.

Islamic terrorist. Someone who thinks killing people that did nothing to them is obeying divine law.

Again nothing to do with race.

I think it's good idear to keep both kinds out.

One day lives depend on it.

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: eNumbra

Statistically speaking being struck by lightning is a bigger problem than "muslims".

1.6 billion Muslims in the world.
As of 2010, over 1.6 billion or about 23.4% of the world population are Muslims.
By the percentage of the total population in a region considering themselves Muslim.
24.8% in Asia-Oceania do,

91.2% in the Middle East-North Africa,

29.6% in Sub-Saharan Africa
around 6.0% in Europe and;
0.6% in the Americas.

So, 91.2% in the Middle East-North Africa do.

So, this vs angry Muslims

Nope.

You have more chance being killed by Muslims than you do Lightning.

I'd love to know how you think your narrow scope proves this since we're talking muslim terrorism(or are we talking every single muslim who killed someone, terrorism related or no, that will be a more difficult statistic to find and would open a can of worms - how many Christians have killed people in the same time frame? Jews?)

In the US alone, a little over 300 people were killed by lightning in the last decade - www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov...

Terrorism claimed 57 in the same time frame -
www.start.umd.edu...

Now I know I've done some serious narrowing as well but since the person I replied to mentioned building a wall to keep Muslims out (and for the fact that I'm not invested enough in my own irreverence to find world wide statistics, it seems reasonable that these are the stats we talk about when talking about the safety of America, which really, is what where doing)


Are there dangerous parts of the world? Sure, is North America one of them... eh, not really, respectively.

originally posted by: neo96
I disgree.

With statistics?

Trumps is 'racist'.

Even though Islam is a religion, and it's learned out of a book.

I should really probably just ignore this, since I never said or implied that I think Trump is a racist; you're just lashing out at those dirty liberals. It's okay buddy.

a reply to: eNumbra

Will this suffice?

directorblue.blogspot.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

That's a whole lot of Allah Akbar.

a reply to: eNumbra

Excellent Work.....better than my attempt.

However, what you going to do when the soft core get in government and everybody wants to come to America?

Shouldn't the US have their fair share of the quota just like Europe?

See where I'm going here.

I think statistically it will rise

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: eNumbra

Will this suffice?

directorblue.blogspot.com...
~1300 dead totaled on this source 1993-2000

en.wikipedia.org...
I won't bother with the numbers but will point out the obvious trend - Middle East.

I'm okay with those odds.

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: eNumbra
I think statistically it will rise

It probably would, but we've had quotas for some time they've just never been properly enforced for any number of reasons.(I believe, I might be wrong)

We can continue to do what we do now, vetting refugees(properly) and not suffer a significantly increased risk.

Problem is (as illustrated throughout ATS come election time) our system is polarized to two sides each with some merit and some utter toxicity and nary the two should meet.

a reply to: CaptainBeno
Gryphon's a cloud of semantic ink by E&E and B/S, his next move its to demand sources then he shoots THOSE down as bias (His MO)

a reply to: eNumbra

I'm just amazed that a seemingly ordinary person can be brainwashed into horrific acts against innocent individuals from coming into contact with a website or reading the Quran and having their brains pummeled with BS from idiots over the web?

Seems to happen a lot.

Just wonder when these "sleepers" will attack again in the name Allah.

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
Are we not witnessing the birth of new politics? Have we been brainwashed into thinking in a pro PC way too much for too long? Are the younger generations shocked by Trump's accusations and statements because they are simply to PC to accept that much of what he says is what people secretly think?
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From an outsiders point of view, I believe Trump has a point! Sure he's loud, crazy and just a tad showy but much of what he says is right.

I feel like I must balance out your post with another opinion from an Australian who thinks you couldn't be any more wrong. I am in the "younger generation" and I've always been very against the PC crap, I don't like how westernized nations are turning into nanny states and I'm against most forms of socialism. Nothing Trump says "shocks" me, it simply makes me facepalm myself because some of it is so stupid and arrogant. I mean the OP just posted a video showing how Trump fell for racist propaganda and this thread is still flooded with people trying to portray him as the best thing since sliced bread.

The problem with Trump is that he lacks modesty and humility, his entire campaign is fueled by incendiary and divisive talking points. Worse than that, his points are vastly over-inflated with emotional hyperbole, as posters in this thread have already demonstrated that the statistical threat of terrorists is extremely small. His campaign literally feeds on hate and fear and the people following him refuse to listen to any form of reason, blindly believing that a billionaire will challenge the status quo and give them real change. To be fair I'm also very concerned about Hillary, I don't know who scares me more to be honest. If these are the two front-runners I am very worried for the future of the U.S. and the entire world.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Sargeras
The fact is Muslims are a problem for most of the population in earth right now today.

Statistically speaking being struck by lightning is a bigger problem than "muslims".

No one likes to be hit by lightning either.

If you can even ask them.

a reply to: reldra

Careful, you might want to refrain from going full Godwin before you actually get to the general election.

Look, I understand what you're feeling. I was in the same place when we were watching the rise of Barack Obama. Remember the anti-Christ talk? See how that turned out?

It's natural to feel a bit worried about having to watch your preferred ideology potentially take a long walk in the country's wilderness for a potential of 8 years, especially when you must know deep down that you have done everything possible to treat your ideological opponents with such grace and respect. I am sure the racists, bigots, and homophobic rednecks of the country will remember you all with much class and treat you accordingly.

That's likely what is causing this panic. I get it.

But seriously, never go full Godwin. You start to look like you just dusted off the Bush**ler signs and routines of the past.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

G'day,

Yep you're right too. I no way endorse Trump or any of his politics, however, I was merely stating that most of what he says is true. Where others are afraid to rock the boat , he just comes right out and say's it. A common thing that happens in Aus is lost on most Americans no matter how brash they are, they are not used to this in politics. I think you understand where I'm coming from. I have listened and witnessed most of what the other candidates have said and to me Trump is the only one out there that actually says what he means.....even if it is a load of twaddle. However, he say's it and that's gotta count for something? I am world full of BS politicians who give promises about changing everything he is the only one I think that would actually put his money where his mouth is? I almost guarantee it.
Most of what he says is funny......but, you know it to be true. No matter how much you cringe.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Arizonaguy

Except that lighning can't strike anywhere at anytime. It can only strike within 25 miles of certain cloud formations.

Good on you sir, you know your atmospheric phenomena alright. Now if you could just address the remaining fact that Muslims are not as big a problem on the majority of the world's population as say, almost any other issue you could pull out of a hat.

Are Islamic terrorists worried about AGW as much as the rest of the world and especially obama?

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: eNumbra

I'm just amazed that a seemingly ordinary person can be brainwashed into horrific acts against innocent individuals from coming into contact with a website or reading the Quran and having their brains pummeled with BS from idiots over the web?

Seems to happen a lot.

This type of brainwashing happens a lot more often than anyone likes to think; problem is, "flat-earthers" don't go out and kill people over their new found beliefs so it looks like it's specifically a problem with Islam, and less a state of the world, dissolution with society, desperation for something to give your life meaning or even just a paycheck to feed your family. It's all similar manipulation at it's core, cherry picking what you can to support your claims while omitting or discrediting anything that would counter, knowing your audience.

It both surprises me and it doesn't; it surprises me because we can all look back and see the obvious connection between Islamic terror and things like the inquisition and other violent religious movements that run counter to the idea of a loving god and know we've been here before and shouldn't repeat it and it doesn't surprise me because look at global history, this # is what we as humans do. We've probably gotten more peaceful as a whole as the centuries have ticked on and the current state of affairs certainly looks horrifying despite that.

But the scary thing about it is, how do you fight it? It's as much a propaganda war as anything; I just really don't want to see this country descend into another "red scare".