Secular Talk: Trump Goes full Fascist

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: reldra

People can protest if they wish, something is often pro constitution until irritates a conservative and then it is the opposite.

PREACH!

AKA, the authoritarian (right-wing) double-standard.

Hitler was left wing, so was Mussolini and Trump. The KKK were a bunch of Prius driving, dope smoking, gay marriage loving Democrats too!

Thats what I heard of Fox news

Heh.

Is it too much to hope that your star-senders didn't take you seriously?

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Gryphon66
There was a point when I couldn't comprehend how true dictators rose to power ... and now, we're seeing it in front of our eyes.

The only silver lining to Trump is that even if he were to get elected, and then suspend future elections he's too old to govern for much longer than 2 terms anyways.

Trump is not going to get elected, but he may do a lot of damage to America on the way to failure.

LOL talk about conspiracy brigade folly.

You say he has no power, will not be elected, and then WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?

Trump says mean things.

The irony is

Nothing Trump says MEANS anything

a reply to: MysticPearl

I agree Trump is more a nationalist with a real need to adopt nationalistic policies. Way too long has America forgotten its role in maintaining America's status of maintaining a even playing-field based on law and the constitution. Free trade policies has gutted this nation and its time to face that fact. As a result of policies the past forty years, corporate fascism that shows no regard of what's best for America has ranked above all considerations. For this goof to assist Hitlery and Sander's being "commies" is flawed beyond belief. Hitlery is bought and paid for by the Wall St. Eastern Establishment and it's predatory capitalism and the proof in the pudding is her support in Free Trade policies. Bernie, on the other hand, is a social democrat. A far cry from being a commie and its a valid argument his positions are a means to "rectify" the disastrous effects of NEOCON policies that led to current corporate fascism. That is where the division between Hitlery and himself arose.

The video commenter is obviously a NEOCON supporter as can be seen with his wild assumptions that mirror past NEOCON policies. He's probably a paid spokesman for the likes of Jeb Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Christie and Romney. After-all, they all are involved in the further establishing of NEOCON goals and vision. He is quick to assume Trump as a fascist when his party of fascist conspirators as listed is still trying to milk the successes of yesteryear. True fascists who can't stand the thought of their control eroding before their eyes. Their reluctance to accept the fact that much of their faithful abandoning their plight is comical. To watch their reaction in the past few debates should be on the comedy channel. They get testy, angry and sweat as Trump methodically knocks the legs out from them. Hell, the look on Christie's face during his "support for Trump" speech was aired is priceless.

All of a sudden, these fascist bastards are seen with the symptoms of asshole disease. Waxy complexion with dark and sunken eyes peering throughout the sweat added with their pores morphing into assholes and #ting themselves to death is a plain giveaway. Rather than show any acceptance of the obvious, these self-serving demigods are conspiring to pose a death grip on Trump. They obviously feel the destruction of Trump is more important than the country under the control of the evil witch of Hitlery. Man...you can't make this # up!...lol. As he grows stronger, the luster of the thousand lights of the Fuhrer ...err... Bush Sr. fades into darkness. It's like they see all successes from the past seventy years or so dissipating from the atmosphere. The setbacks from the Gen. Smedley Butler fiesco of the failed coup attempt of "33" that required further time, money and effort from their desired time-line foiled from their optimum moment. Now, they think, is the time to "convince" the nation that Trump is some kind of left wing subservient malcontent billionaire who badmouths his country and listening to rock and roll.

However, they, like this goof in the video, refuses to understand that little, if none at all, does the country have to show for their behavior. We're broke, hated, poorer, lied to, poisoned, in debt, ...err...you get the idea. Now, if the main goal of their approach in governing was to build the 1%, destroy the middle class, make college available to only for the upper-elite, conquer the world on the poor's dime and build the ultimate intelligence communications gathering apparatus to monitor all info and traffic on the globe...then I'd have to say...Bravo!...excellent job!!! Also. as G.W. Bush said, "Of course we will help Wall St. ...they are too big to fail!" Anyone can figure what that meant. It means they created "corporate fascism." Obviously something Mr. goof forgot or is so stupid to see, but there it is...fascism. Anytime the govt. bails out the private sector with tax-dollars then that action is of the collective. Once industry accepts bailouts then claims all profits are "private" then you have fascism. That's not my opinion...it's from your playbook.

Give em hell Trump! You stand to get a lot of help and appreciation from many on both sides of the isle. Force them to stand down and allow Americans do what Americans do best in maintaining a great country that Americans are proud of. Make good advantage of what is left and bring us together for the common good. For those who insists on creating division and act out criminally please show them to their cell doors. That is where they should have been all along.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Gryphon66
There was a point when I couldn't comprehend how true dictators rose to power ... and now, we're seeing it in front of our eyes.

The only silver lining to Trump is that even if he were to get elected, and then suspend future elections he's too old to govern for much longer than 2 terms anyways.

Trump is not going to get elected, but he may do a lot of damage to America on the way to failure.

LOL talk about conspiracy brigade folly.

You say he has no power, will not be elected, and then WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?

Trump says mean things.

Who gives a crap if Trump "says mean things" ... the quality of his speech and rhetoric merely define him for the vainglorious megalomaniacal TV cartoon that he has been for decades. Nope, my statement was based on the fact that there is a certain portion of the population that are all too happy to have their inner demons released, to be permitted to openly fly their flags of racism and xenophobia (not to mention guttersnipe manners) again and act out their secret authoritarian fantasies ... at least on the small scale of a typical Trump rally where they outnumber the "opposition."

We've seen what happens now when they aren't in the overwhelming majority ... they tamp their feet and whine about being "victims."

"Bullies of the world unite" under the Trump banner. Careful though, bullies are usually revealed as the cowards they are, sooner than later.

Wow, you say mean things too!

What's wrong with "victims"?

You don't like victims? It really sounds like you want confrontations and that's being a bully.

Yes and making people shut up and breaking their toys and ruining their fun is being a real big bully.
But that's ok, right? It's for the greater good!

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: ParasuvO

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Gryphon66
There was a point when I couldn't comprehend how true dictators rose to power ... and now, we're seeing it in front of our eyes.

The only silver lining to Trump is that even if he were to get elected, and then suspend future elections he's too old to govern for much longer than 2 terms anyways.

Trump is not going to get elected, but he may do a lot of damage to America on the way to failure.

LOL talk about conspiracy brigade folly.

You say he has no power, will not be elected, and then WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ?

Trump says mean things.

The irony is

Nothing Trump says MEANS anything

Wow, you wouldn't think so with all that's going on.

But the progs always makes stuff up to satisfy some inner OCD.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Saying mean things: utterly subjective. If you're trying to make some backhanded comment about "liberal PC" just come out with it.

What's wrong with victims? Nothing, if they are truly victims (like say, people punched and kicked at a Trump rally.)

Those who PLAY THE VICTIM CARD like Trump supporters who didn't get to see their hero because he's a coward?

Nothing "wrong" with them either, per se, although I do find their actions despicable, personally.

What did I possibly say that you interpret to mean that I "want confrontations"? Quote me.

As to the rest of your post ... all you're doing (apparently) is projecting something you believe on me.

Let's get to the facts of the matter: what does this have to do with the topic?

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Trump is actually a nationalist.

To be accurate...Trump is playing a Nationalist on TV...Mussolini, Hitler and White Nationalist...a moderated and marketed message for our times, but unmistakable in the sentiments he exploits and how he does it.

What we're seeing from the left however, from Shillary and Bernie falls much closer to communism.

Strange...Bernie would fall under Democratic Socialist by world standards and a conservative one at that. Hillary would fall dead center and possibly leaning right by world standards. Neither would come anywhere near communist on a rational scale of policy or political science.

What we're seeing by protesters at Trump rallies, the intent to shut down the 1st amendment rights of Americans to meet on private property, supported by both Shillary and Bernie are communist tactics used before throughout world history.

You mean protestors? You have issue with Americans exercising their 1st Amendment rights?

It always confuses me when the right wing equates anyone that publicly speaks in disagreement to them as somehow denying others free speech.


In America (for now anyways) ...the KKK has the right to assemble, have rallies, give speeches AND members of the public have the right to show up and protest the KKK...BOTH exercising the 1st amendment.
Live with it.

Our forefathers would be rolling over in their graves at such anti-American sentiment being not only accepted but celebrated.

Our forefathers would have tarred and feathered Trump...literally.

they also constantly defend Islam and women's rights while in many Islamic countries women have next to no rights and need to remain covered just to avoid getting raped, is also the height of hypocrisy.

Ya know you can do both? You can support religious rights while denouncing laws, polices and practices that oppress women. Plenty of Christians in the USA reconcile that...hell..The Christian Bible is full of oppression of women.

We choose not to outlaw a religion, but rather condemn it's extreme practices...

"Freedom of religion" and all that...You really seem to have issue with the basic rights this country was built upon.

If these leftists tried these same tactics in Saudi Arabia, or Syria, or Iran, or even in the US backed Israel where Christianity has been under threat for decades, among a number of other nations their attitudes would change will quickly. Much of the left's attitude and bravado comes from insulation and isolation which affords that level of ignorance.

The "left's attitude and bravado" comes from the constitution of the United States of America...

A document you seem to find very inconvenient...Unfortunate for you.

originally posted by: dagann
a reply to: MysticPearl


The video commenter is obviously a NEOCON supporter as can be seen with his wild assumptions that mirror past NEOCON policies. He's probably a paid spokesman for the likes of Jeb Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Christie and Romney.

Youtube about page: Secular Talk

Liberal Radio Host. Social Democrat. Agnostic-Atheist. Secular Humanist. Loyal to the Facts. Principles over Politicians.

Wow, are you waaaaaaaay off base.

a reply to: mOjOm

I suppose you would rather I say Go burnie!

originally posted by: antar
a reply to: mOjOm

I suppose you would rather I say Go burnie!

I'd be more than happy if you would simply see Trump for what he is and stop making excuses for him that you would never allow for someone else. The weak arguments that are used to excuse his behavior and his lies is just getting really old. I think you people are smarter than to be taken by this con man narcissist sociopath.

a reply to: reldra

That is what the New World Order is and always has been- A Nationalist Socialist Communist Plutocratic Technocracy- Its basically been going strong since they killed JFK

Remember, it was Clintons watch during Waco, Ruby Ridge, Lubys spree kill, Oklahoma Murrah Bldg, and the 1st WTC bombing in the garage all Hegelian Dialects to push the surveillance state

originally posted by: superluminal11
a reply to: reldra

That is what the New World Order is and always has been- A Nationalist Socialist Communist Plutocratic Technocracy- Its basically been going strong since they killed JFK

Remember, it was Clintons watch during Waco, Ruby Ridge, Lubys spree kill, Oklahoma Murrah Bldg, and the 1st WTC bombing in the garage all Hegelian Dialects to push the surveillance state

Holy conspiracy theory buzzword overkill, Batman!

a reply to: Gryphon66
I imagine in legalize this is called EMPLYING"... every one sufficiently bored with self-congratulation and random bum-kissing then? Good.



We all, particularly Americans and the British, still use "Hitler" as our unending cultural big bad.

Even though the actual rise and fall of the right-wing/authoritarian states in Germany and Italy were probably in our grandparents time at least, still the "shadow of eeevil" cast by Hitler, et. al. is long.

Particularly in the last two American Administrations, we've been trained on "the other side" as the source of ultimate eeevil, and let's be frank ... neither were.

I implore you though ... think about Mr. Trump before you vote for him. That's all."

A signature communications /debate who uses Alynsky style semantic dancing ,mostly because ,logically THE FAR LEFT and right haven't got a leg to stand on,ALL the CLAMORING for Trumps monstrous behaviors after the last 8 years it a daisy is a pile of S##T.
WE love it WE TELL you who we are and FRIENDS just KEEP on liking me.
The reason YOU would disagree with my "summation" is because you have NO IDEA who to target either but have NO clue about how we kill and who we kill.
You even stick up for Obama's traitorous enemy infiltration plan don't you.
NOT that I really care they and BLM lefties suck at a stand up fight WE have clearly shown WE do not ,and in fact some are indeed WAITING impatiently for this s##t to come to a head.
WALLOW in you romantic bias if you want but B/S some one else I'm immune to crap like that.

a reply to: MOMof3

YOU are talking about ENSLAVING the masses after the last 23 years?
They CAN'T do that to 300 million people instantly...especially when 3% will kill them for (while you hide)

a reply to: CaptainBeno

Tell us, just how did America become great?

Leftists went full fascist. They are the ones attacking people for political views, forming,ganga and storming political oppnents. Calling for,assassinations.

To,support violence against political opponents IS a very fascist thing,to,do.

a reply to: Willtell

Money, science,the arts.
We are WAY more creative and out of the box because we haven't known a caste system...EVERYONE else has.
We regularly operate in Chaos,the world doesn't counter that well.

Let's try to parse this word-salad ...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
A signature communications /debate who uses Alynsky style semantic dancing ,

Ah yes, the music of sweet sweet Saul ... how funny that folks like you are the only ones that talk about him.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
mostly because ,logically THE FAR LEFT and right haven't got a leg to stand on,

"Logically" eh? Why don't you point out your logical REASONS then, rather than making declarations?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
ALL the CLAMORING for Trumps monstrous behaviors after the last 8 years it a daisy is a pile of S##T.

Yes, let's count up all the times Mr. Obama has instructed his followers to beat people in his events, or how many people he he has banned from entering the US because of their religion, etc. etc. etc. POS indeed.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
WE love it WE TELL you who we are and FRIENDS just KEEP on liking me.
The reason YOU would disagree with my "summation" is because you have NO IDEA who to target either but have NO clue about how we kill and who we kill.

This bit speaks for itself.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
You even stick up for Obama's traitorous enemy infiltration plan don't you.
NOT that I really care they and BLM lefties suck at a stand up fight WE have clearly shown WE do not ,and in fact some are indeed WAITING impatiently for this s##t to come to a head.
WALLOW in you romantic bias if you want but B/S some one else I'm immune to crap like that.

Why don't you tell me what "Obama's traitorous enemy infiltration plan" is and we'll see if I stick up for it. So ... why don't you drop the coy innuendo ... who exactly is the "WE" you're referring to ... your band of killers you number yourself among ... and what are YOU going to do when you finally judge things have "come to a head"?

Romantic bias? LOL. Another zinger from far right field, eh? Do you have an example?

Summarizing your response:

You feel like you and your band of merry killers (if you're including all American Veterans in this, you are desperately mistaken) are just waiting for the dog-whistle to take out all the LEFTIST infiltrators who may or may not be using cell-phones as mind-control devices, while plotting secret romance (or something?)

Yeah. Okay Cav.

a reply to: CaptainBeno

I think you completely right.

I keep telling people here that the majority of Americans are more Libertarian in their view than anything else.
They want to work, go home have a smoke and a beer and be with their families. The Liberals are a small % of the US, but very vocal and have driven policy for some years now. What they have managed to do is wake up the sleeping majority of this country and they are starting to act.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
Disclaimer:

Before I get blamed for buying into this. First of all i'm an Australian. Secondly, I don't live in the US. Now, even though I'm told to mind my own business by most Americans on here when it comes to politics, I believe this concerns us all. After all, we're talking about the leader of the world effectively. No matter which way you are looking at it.

To my Point:

Are we not witnessing the birth of new politics? Have we been brainwashed into thinking in a pro PC way too much for too long? Are the younger generations shocked by Trump's accusations and statements because they are simply to PC to accept that much of what he says is what people secretly think?

I liken it to the movie "Falling Down". How many people are really getting pissed off by their taxes, the cost of food, fuel, immigrants etc etc

From an outsiders point of view, I believe Trump has a point! Sure he's loud, crazy and just a tad showy but much of what he says is right.

I think it's time to remember America, that you didn't become great by being everyone's friend. You didn't become great by opening your doors to everyone and handing out money willy nilly.

Sure, you've got involved in a few fights you shouldn't have over the years and even came out with a bloody nose. But I really think you need a new leader who isn't afraid to tell others to F off.

It's about time. Maybe the rest of the soft politicians around the world will follow.

Trump is a insurance salesman making a sale(anti-immigration,anti-radical islam,anti-globalism,anti-PC) to a mark(us) and he's doing an excellent job at selling his "product" to his target demographic.

UMM YES, BUT NO...

He is NOT anti-immigration, but anti ILLEGAL immigration. Big differance, one that the left keep refusing to see. Same as the issue of RADICAL islam. He is also not anti-globalism. He just wants the US to stop excepting the stick all the time and wants us to grap for the carrot for a change.