Who still thinks we live in the freest country in the world?

www.theguardian.com...

I am honestly at a loss for words. The government openly threatening to steal intellectual property.

It would help if you actually added some more meaningful comment.

However, to help. This is about Apple's refusal to assist the FBI, and the country you are talking about is the US.

Personally, I think Apple is in the wrong here. What the FBI has asked for does not seek for the software to be compromised. Only for Apple to turn off the "phone wipe" ability. There's all sorts of issues here, but perhaps the main issue is a mega powerful corporation, with vast riches, confounding and frustrating criminal investigations.

a reply to: norhoc

Personally, I think Apple is in the wrong here. What the FBI has asked for does not seek for the software to be compromised.

If you read the article the OP linked you might change your stance a little bit..

Forcing a tech company to hand over the source code is completely unnecessary...That in of it self comprises the software. This is just further proof of federal agencies showcasing their ambitions for more power over the common folk.

Edit; However I would like to think they've(FBI)have already hacked the phone with conventional assets without an issue. Also that this court order is just for show to see how many more powerful resources and assets they can gain in their arsenal of counter-terrorism.

originally posted by: paraphi

Personally, I think Apple is in the wrong here. What the FBI has asked for does not seek for the software to be compromised.

You're wrong, it's exactly what the FBI is asking for and is unnecessary since the FBI cracked the phone shortly after getting a hold of it.

originally posted by: norhoc
www.theguardian.com...

I am honestly at a loss for words. The government openly threatening to steal intellectual property.

Many are at a loss for words after the San Bernardino shooter stole and then demolished the MINDS of a handful of living human beings, where INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY is birthed into existence, after murdering them.

The founder of Apple's father was an economic muslim migrant and a pan Arabist activist and his father' s father was a millionaire. Some speculate what private or covert relationships were formed wondering if his adoptive parents were nanny handlers, and how much pan Arabist invested in Apple financially or emotionally to cause turmoil in western countries to further their vision. Some speculate his adoptive parents were nothing more than just average parents but his father was a proud man and enraged his mother's family wanted nothing to do with him or their son, putting the baby up for adoption, where it fueled pan Arabic revenge to sabatoge a United States company that controls the flow of information.

If any of those instances are true, which I hope they would not be, then those writing codes to prevent others from accessing facts would feel unduly burdened because the company and general public wouldn't handle having that revealed well for a variety of reasons.

a reply to: norhoc

#ty post with zero info! Answer to your question is, anyone with half a brain who has lived in any other country in the world. It's not even close.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

The founder of Apple's father was an economic muslim migrant and a pan Arabist activist and his father' s father was a millionaire.

Which one?

Steve Jobs

Steven Wozniak

or

Ronald Wayne.

a reply to: norhoc
Agreed, shouldn't our wonderful NSA already have the phone data/info, or are they a damn failure too? (rhetorical)

originally posted by: norhoc
www.theguardian.com...

I am honestly at a loss for words. The government openly threatening to steal intellectual property.

-we can freely own property(for the most part).
Imminent domain. Civil Asset forfeiture. You need government licenses to own certain things.
-you are not forced into going into the military.
The military draft program.
-No massive police corruption.
But there are 1-5% of the police that are sociopaths and/or corrupt.
-No brownshirts
See something say something. Civilian Security Force.
-You don't get executed for being homosexual.
ostracized publically maybe but not beheaded.
-Women don't get executed for infidelity.
-People don't get executed for apostasy.
-People don't get imprisoned for believing in God.
-People don't get imprisoned for not believing in God.
-People don't get imprisoned or killed for speaking against the government,dictator or king.
-People don't get imprisoned for not crying hard enough for a dictator's father's funeral.
-People in the US have due process with a jury of their peers.
-Right to remain silent.(No torture,threats,blackmail,extra charges to get a fake confession)
-If you do drugs in the US you go to jail you do drugs in Singapore you die.
-Your not forced to vote(unlike some countries).
-You can have as many children as you want/can.
-You don't get imprisoned for 37 years for insulting a king's dog.
-No banned books(except if they have child pornagraphy)
-Have Illegal video games.
-Use of twitter
-Use of facebook.
-free use of the internet(censoring the internet).
-free to work any job you want
-freedom to travel.
-freedom to relocate your residence to a different location.

a reply to: norhoc
I think the bigger question is, "Who ever thought the US was the freest country in the world!?". Stand up, hold up your hand. I have many bridges for sale, in slightly used condition.

I bet Apple will have the private key on a golden plate for the FBI if their head office was attacked by a similar fashion.

originally posted by: Dumbass
I bet Apple will have the private key on a golden plate for the FBI if their head office was attacked by a similar fashion.

The whole point of Apple being asked by the government shows this country is a free country.

They could have just imprisoned,threatened to kill them and tortured them.

However, this breach in privacy isn't affecting just the US but seems to be the forefront in implementing it. There are freedoms in the US that other countries do not have, at least for the time being. They could force over the key and likely they will. As there's a lot of conscientious that the FBI is in the right over the matter despite the establishment control over the situation.

Not me I went through the judicial system and have been experiencing financial oppression for the last seven years.

I also have a feeling this thread won't last long.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

Keep trotting out the boogeyman in the form of terrorism to keep taking more and more of people's rights away. I am reminded of a quote from Benjamin Franklin " Those that will sacrifice their liberty for the sense of security deserve neither "

a reply to: KEACHI


To you I leave this, this says it better than I can. Look I am not anti American , I believe if you truly love your country you can and should point out its flaws and where it is going wrong. Not just blindly say is is better than everywhere else. The fact is there are a lot of great countries out there. We don't have the market cornered on freedom.

Maybe memory fails me. I thought we, the government could always tap into phone lines and listen. Why are cell phones sacred ground? And, we the government implemented the Patriot Act to use against citizens. More proof freedom is for corporations not the individual since 9/11.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: norhoc
I think the bigger question is, "Who ever thought the US was the freest country in the world!?". Stand up, hold up your hand. I have many bridges for sale, in slightly used condition.

How many countries have you lived in that a freer? Have you lived in the US at all? Or is this just knee-jerk rhetoric?

a reply to: NateTheAnimator

I agree completely. There is some element of theater involved here, and even Snowden sees it. Probably others too.

In the first place, SB was another false flag, as 2 different witnesses at least saw 3 athletic men with guns do the shooting and leaving the building. Scott Pelley learned that from a lady who worked in the building, but completely disregarded it.

The FBI is maneuvering and lobbying in this case to have laws passed that will allow them to bypass encryption programs, nothing more.

a reply to: Salander

In the first place, SB was another false flag, as 2 different witnesses at least saw 3 athletic men with guns do the shooting and leaving the building. Scott Pelley learned that from a lady who worked in the building, but completely disregarded it.

It must be true, you read it on the internet. The irony is that North America and Western Europe are about the only places on Earth where you can post anti-government conspiracy theories without any negative consequences.